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Old 08-30-2007, 04:46 PM
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For any theory to be considered valid, it must not only explain what we already know, it must also tell us what we don't know. Evolution has done a remarkable job of predicting things that we didn't previously know. That is why it is considered such a strong theory.

Please point to one prediction that creationism has made about what we didn't already know.
Is creationism a theory?
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I would substitute the words "self importance" with "self worth." In a godless, evolutionary universe, the human has neither importance nor inherent worth, so anything goes: murder, rape, torture, etc.
If anything goes, then even love, compassion, empathy, altruism, fair mindedness, and intellectual honesty, "go".

Second, do you really believe you would consider yourself worthless and unimportant without God? Would you consider your mother worthless and unimportant without God? What about your brothers?


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After all, if we are only animals, why should we act any differently than animals?
Animals show many of the same behaviors as we do, depending on the species. For instance, altruism has been observed in chimpanzees.

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Whereas, humans who are created in the image of God have an inherent worth that makes murder, rape, torture, etc. detestably evil and wrong.
What's your reasoning for that? How do you arrive at the conclusion that God created humans with "an inherent worth"? Especially an "inherent worth" greater than, say, that of a cockroach? Just curious as to what your reasoning is here.
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Old 08-30-2007, 05:27 PM
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Is creationism a theory?
No, it is not, because it is not falsifiable.

That's why it has no place in a science class.
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Old 08-30-2007, 05:29 PM
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No, it is not, because it is not falsifiable.

That's why it has no place in a science class.
If fits good in a Theology class though...
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Old 08-30-2007, 06:13 PM
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If fits good in a Theology class though...
Yup, right next to the giant sea turtle.
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Old 08-30-2007, 09:25 PM
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If anything goes, then even love, compassion, empathy, altruism, fair mindedness, and intellectual honesty, "go".
Sure. But if the universe has no intrinsic meaning, then trying to differentiate between love and hate is in itself a meaningless and pointless endeavor.

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Second, do you really believe you would consider yourself worthless and unimportant without God? Would you consider your mother worthless and unimportant without God? What about your brothers?
Ultimately, yes.

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Animals show many of the same behaviors as we do, depending on the species. For instance, altruism has been observed in chimpanzees.
Altruism is not the same thing as love.

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What's your reasoning for that? How do you arrive at the conclusion that God created humans with "an inherent worth"? Especially an "inherent worth" greater than, say, that of a cockroach? Just curious as to what your reasoning is here.
Well, unless God is a Giant Cockroach in the sky, I see absolutely no reason to assume cockroaches are valuable.

I already explained why humans have inherent worth-----because we are created in the image of God. God is the ultimate Being of Worth, and if we are created in His image, then we are also beings of worth.

I'll turn the question around on you----do you believe you have more worth than a cockroach? If so, why?

If not, then what is the difference between someone stepping on a cockroach and killing it and pointing a gun at you and killing you? From an evolutionary standpoint, both actions are equally justifiable, because you cannot convincingly show that your life is more valuable than a cockroach's when you and the cockroach both evolved from the same primordial soup.
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Sure. But if the universe has no intrinsic meaning, then trying to differentiate between love and hate is in itself a meaningless and pointless endeavor.
No, it would mean that this differentiation only has as much meaning as you give it, which can be quite a bit.
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No, it would mean that this differentiation only has as much meaning as you give it, which can be quite a bit.
But then you get into relativism, where everyone has their own standard of meaning. You have no fixed point of reference by which to judge if it is actually meaningful or not.
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