Why Creationism over Evolution? Bring on the arguments (Creator, Earth)

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

I don't want to leave any stone unturned so I have listed everything which I believe is applicable.

To what? Maybe if you used some sentences we might catch on to what you are driving at.

[Evolution_Not]

I thought it would be obvious, If I want to understand how something works then I have to consider
all parameters that may apply. If you think something I have listed does not apply then let me know
since you are the experts.

[Autodidact]

Are you trying to lay out an outline of the theory of evolution? Because if so you haven't. The parameters that apply to what? What are you trying to outline?

[JamBar85]

Originally Posted by Hope

I would substitute the words "self importance" with "self worth." In a godless, evolutionary universe, the human has neither importance nor inherent worth, so anything goes: murder, rape, torture, etc. After all, if we are only animals, why should we act any differently than animals?

I know this is quite an old post, but it interested me.

To me this quote sais if we were all created by God, then we all have the self worth to realise that murder, rape, torture etc are all wrong.
OK fair enough, but those things happen in the world all the time anyway so it sounds like it wouldn't make a difference if God created us or not.

It just sounds a bit contradictory. Someone tell me if i've missed anything.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Hope

I would substitute the words "self importance" with "self worth." In a godless, evolutionary universe, the human has neither importance nor inherent worth, so anything goes: murder, rape, torture, etc. After all, if we are only animals, why should we act any differently than animals?

Ego.
Humans have some sort of need to think they are better than everything else.
Better than all other life forms is just a start.
How many theists take the attitude they are better than non theists simply because they believe in a deity?

One can even see this need for self righteousness within individual religions.

Originally Posted by Hope

Whereas, humans who are created in the image of God have an inherent worth that makes murder, rape, torture, etc. detestably evil and wrong. Evolutionists have no fixed reference point from which to claim any evil act is actually evil. They have no true basis for saying humans deserve to be treated with respect, or that human life is valuable, when humans are merely a product of mindless chance.

And here we see the justification used by many as to the WHY they are so much superior.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

I am trying to understand how you are determinig evolution occured over millions
of years since it appears to be a totaly random process and we were not there to
make any observations. If there is no true limiting factors then what is the difference
of 1 year, 100, or 1 million.

Evolution occurs all the time. It is a very slow and gradual process, so for it to have resulted in the abundance of species on the planet, it would have to have been going on for billions of years.
And it's not a totally random process. Didn't I already explain this in this thread? EVOLUTION IS NOT RANDOM.

[Papersock]

It seems to me that the debate between Creationism and Evolution is often a debate between two unrelated subjects.
People who argue for creationism seem most concerned with the origin of the universe and life and about moral values.
Whereas the theory of evolution has nothing to do with any of those things. It is just about biological change.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Papersock

It seems to me that the debate between Creationism and Evolution is often a debate between two unrelated subjects.
People who argue for creationism seem most concerned with the origin of the universe and life and about moral values.
Whereas the theory of evolution has nothing to do with any of those things. It is just about biological change.

It is actually a debate between THREE totally different things:

What evolution actually says
What creations claim evolution is
the beginning of life

[theDamagedOne]

Hi! New here! Interesting thread. I'll just jump in with both feet! I believe BOTH.

I have a degree in psychology (which brings out the scientist in me), and a Master's Degree in Social Work (counseling). I mention these 2 things simply because they explain how I've come to believe in both evolution and creation. Most therapists are "grey" thinkers- meaning, there is no black or white.

I most definately believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour. But, by being a Christian, I simply cannot discredit the skeletal remains of ancient societies, the carbon dating of dinosaurs, the dna similarities humans and monkeys have. That's the SCIENTIST in me. I am a Christian- my ability to see grey areas is what allows me to incorporate evolution INTO creation.

I belong to a United Methodist Church, and I asked our Pastor this question. He pointed out that there doesn't HAVE to be a debate over evolution vs. creation. He pointed out that in Genesis, God created the world in 6 days and on the 7th day, He rested. My pastor (who is a phenomenal theologian, with a PhD in Religious Theology) said that people often take those 6 days VERY LITERALLY. He explained that it is quite possible that the ability to measure time didn't occur until God created the sun, which was on the 4th day.

Fourth day: God creates lights in the firmament of Heaven, to separate light from darkness and to mark days, seasons and years. Two great lights are made (most likely the Sun and Moon; but not named), and the stars.

My pastor believes that the measurement of time wasn't possible without recognizing day/night with the setting and rising of the sun. Therefore, there are many theologians out there who believe that the 6 days weren't measured in the same way our days are. For example, Day 1 may have taken 1000 years (using our measurement system). He also talked about the theory of how certain people in the Bible lived to be 800 years old (Moses, I think)- that same idea that the measurement of time and what constituted "a year" quite possible.

My Pastor also explained to me that the "calendar" that was used in the Old Testament was not 365 days- it was MUCH shorter, meaning a person who in our time is 30 years old, would have been maybe 300 (or whatever #) in Old Testament time.

And, now that I'm out of breath and have written a novel, that is what I believe.


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