Why Creationism over Evolution? Bring on the arguments (Creator, Earth)

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

I guess you will have to explain to me how time is a causal factor.

Time doesn't cause evolution, it allows it.

Mutations happen over generations. For a mutation to be viable, the variation between parent and offspring will be quite slight: you don't go from fish to human in just a few generations. In human terms, evolution happens gradually; a "sudden" evolutionary event (the Permian extinction, for example, or the Cambrian explosion) can happen over millions of years.

Evolution is the net effect of small changes between successive generations over long stretches of time. For that, you need long stretches of time. In evolutionary terms, 6000 years is a heartbeat.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

2 words Theory and evolution, neither is exclusive to biological process.
If you don't want to consider the entire process and only focus on biology fine.
You must have not read the thread which says "Evolution" not TOE.

"The Theory of Evolution" is a particular set of documents --does that help distinguish it? The issue of Creationism vs. Evolution is in regard to that particular theory, not the concept of evolution, nor any other theories built on that concept.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

What I would say is that existance on any level is paradox since we are looking for causality. So nether choice is logical. However given a choice of God creating the universe in all its complexity or the universe creating God I will have to go with God.

O.K., What does any of that have to do with evolution?

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

2 words Theory and evolution, neither is exclusive to biological process.
If you don't want to consider the entire process and only focus on biology fine.
You must have not read the thread which says "Evolution" not TOE.

Otherwise it's kind of a general term. I mean, I've evolved from a baby to a middle-aged woman, but it's not much basis for a thread. The term is not used in any other field of science that I'm aware of. Maybe you mean "metaphysical naturalism?" That's something else altogether--not science, philosophy. Much more open to opinion. ToE is well settled science.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

Agreed
Since my belief in God is based on faith then let us consider the other possibilties and
see what they are based on. Theory,fact or faith

O.K. but do it in another thread, this one is about evolution and creationism.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

I guess you will have to explain to me how time is a causal factor.

For the diversity of species that we have on earth to have resulted from the processes set forth in ToE would take several billion years. If the earth is 6000 years old, only a tiny number of species could have evolved in that time.

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

And your taking for granted that nothing for no reason willed itself into being.

I don't think he said anything about will.

[Evolution_Not]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Time doesn't cause evolution, it allows it.

Mutations happen over generations. For a mutation to be viable, the variation between parent and offspring will be quite slight: you don't go from fish to human in just a few generations. In human terms, evolution happens gradually; a "sudden" evolutionary event (the Permian extinction, for example, or the Cambrian explosion) can happen over millions of years.

Evolution is the net effect of small changes between successive generations over long stretches of time. For that, you need long stretches of time. In evolutionary terms, 6000 years is a heartbeat.

Just so I understand. What is the regulating factor? A calculation? Since it would
seem to me that time is relavent to measuring an event and irrelavent if you have
no regulating factors.