Can creation and evolution co-exist? (Jesus, moral, Creator, Earth)

[standing_on_one_foot]

Originally Posted by wizanda

As far as a lot of top evovolutionist are concerned many turn into christian or believe in god as a lot of the science behind evolution doesn't work
For instance the wood peckers toungue goes around the back of heads through its nostrals and then out its mouth as to not bite through its toungue when pecking
There is no other bird even simular so it dosent make sense it evovled
Ok if the big bang occured what laid out all the quarks and atoms so that they function in the way they do
Else we would just be in chaos which we are not the world moves in 6 diffrent directions at over 1,000,000,000,000 miles an hour and we sit here still talking on a machine on a rock in space>?
In our own bodys every 7 years you are a completly diffrent person as every cell in your body has regenerated its self
Yet when a celll does reform it makes an exsact copy of it self we dont grow extra arms as we have a lot to do
The same applies with when a baby is formed it copies a structure
so if evolution happens it is slight improvements like the shape of the nose or longer arms
If evolution was a fact we would have half breads all over the place yet we dont infact nature works in symbiosis
For nature to have evovled to be symbiotic and to function correctly it would have had to have a design before it started for it all to work as it does
Else there would be to many missing peices to the puzzle which is why so many top scientist become believers in god

Alright, I'm not going to respond to all of these because it's pretty off topic here (we're not debating whether evolution is correct or not, just whether it can work with religion), but if you really want to talk about all this, I'd be happy to start a new thread. You interested in pursuing this?

[huajiro]

I had put a post in a different thread related to this subject. I do think both can co-exist if you consider that "God" does not live by our rules. Who says he/she did not create the single-celled organism which over millions of years became man? Who says that our 700 million years are not like 7 to him/her?

[cvipertooth]

Originally Posted by Cvipertooth (Me)

I believe that Christianity in its true form is the perfect religion.

I would like to start off by withdrawing this statement. what I was trying to say, is that if people would get out of their pigeon holes (Christians and non-christians alike) and look at the other side of the arguement there could be many parallels between many contraversial topics, ultimately leading to a religion that works for everyone.

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

Christianity, in its true form, is base fabrication predicated upon superstition and anti-Judaism. It is a history rife with ignorance and deceipt.

This is probably the most presumtious statement I have ever heard before in my life. I find it hard to believe that all 40 authors of the 66 books of the Bible got together in the pervebial meeting room and said "hm, I wonder whats goin on in the world" "oh I dunno lets make up sumthin that goes against them Jews" This goes back to what I said in an earlier post. It is not the religion that people hate, it is the people who contort the religion that people hate. After returning from church today I realized that the fellowship I experience there is like no other. For someone to tell me that Christians are just a bunch of non-loving fundamentalist bozos deeply offends me.

Originally Posted by wizanda

As far as a lot of top evovolutionist are concerned many turn into christian or believe in god as a lot of the science behind evolution doesn't work
For instance the wood peckers toungue goes around the back of heads through its nostrals and then out its mouth as to not bite through its toungue when pecking
There is no other bird even simular so it dosent make sense it evovled
Ok if the big bang occured what laid out all the quarks and atoms so that they function in the way they do
Else we would just be in chaos which we are not the world moves in 6 diffrent directions at over 1,000,000,000,000 miles an hour and we sit here still talking on a machine on a rock in space>?
In our own bodys every 7 years you are a completly diffrent person as every cell in your body has regenerated its self
Yet when a celll does reform it makes an exsact copy of it self we dont grow extra arms as we have a lot to do
The same applies with when a baby is formed it copies a structure
so if evolution happens it is slight improvements like the shape of the nose or longer arms
If evolution was a fact we would have half breads all over the place yet we dont infact nature works in symbiosis
For nature to have evovled to be symbiotic and to function correctly it would have had to have a design before it started for it all to work as it does
Else there would be to many missing peices to the puzzle which is why so many top scientist become believers in god

I understand everything in this thread and its all good and well, but im not sure what it has to do with evolution and creation co-existing.

[painted wolf]

I believe that my spirituality and the theory of evolution are not at odds. Then again I'm not christian, so things are a bit different for me.

wa:do

[cvipertooth]

Originally Posted by Cvipertooth

I understand everything in this thread and its all good and well, but im not sure what it has to do with evolution and creation co-existing.

I need to replace "thread" with "post. My mistake.

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

I believe that my spirituality and the theory of evolution are not at odds. Then again I'm not christian, so things are a bit different for me.

wa:do

Please elaborate on comment, I am very curious as to what your belief is.

[painted wolf]

Well without giving a long discource on my beliefs....

I believe in Creator, my people have many stories about how the world was made, and they are a part of the culture that helps us identify ourselves and our place in creation. All agree that man, animals and plants are all brothers and sisters in creation. Most have man being the youngest brother/sister needing to learn from our elder brothers/sisters. The idea of evolution therefore fits quite nicely into my worldview. The Lakota have a saying that sums up the idea perfectly "Mitakuye Oyasin"- We are all related.

hope this helps.

wa:do

[linwood]

[quote=wizanda
For instance the wood peckers toungue goes around the back of heads through its nostrals and then out its mouth as to not bite through its toungue when pecking.
There is no other bird even simular so it dosent make sense it evovled
[/quote] You have been misinformed, this is not how a Woodpeckers tongue works.
In fact a Woodpeckers tongue is support for evolution as it is designed and based just like most other birds it has been slightly altered to account for it`s method of feeding...evolution.
http://omega.med.yale.edu/~rjr38/Woodpecker.htm

Else we would just be in chaos which we are not the world moves in 6 diffrent directions at over 1,000,000,000,000 miles an hour and we sit here still talking on a machine on a rock in space>?

It`s awesome isn`t it!!?
It all sits pretty well with the physical laws of nature as we know them.
Do you have something more certain to establish a theory on?

The rest of your post shows that you need to learn what evolution is because it doesn`t work the way you think it does.
Some study on the genome and DNA would be good too.

[Just4Jesus]

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to realize that God created man from dust, and he did so over millions of years, adding once piece after another until he got his final product, man. The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally word for word. It's the message that's important. Not how God created things. It's the end-product that we should be concerned about. Why can't we all stop arguing and get along? The more I learn about science, the more I am delighted in the way God created things.

[cvipertooth]

Originally Posted by Just4Jesus

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to realize that God created man from dust, and he did so over millions of years, adding once piece after another until he got his final product, man. The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally word for word. It's the message that's important. Not how God created things. It's the end-product that we should be concerned about. Why can't we all stop arguing and get along? The more I learn about science, the more I am delighted in the way God created things.

amen to that! That i exactly what this entire thread is about. It is utterly ridiculous to argue over it. I would really be hating life if my salvation was to be decided on whether I "belived in evolution, or belived in creation"