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Old 04-17-2007, 01:08 PM
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I am certain that having six arms would be advantageous. That doesn't make it happen over time.

The initial revision of the allele is as random as they come. The selection of the mutated allele has a 50/50 chance every time the organism succeeds at achieving reproduction. The success of this organism to continue to the reproductive stage is staggeringly "iffy". Having a superior build means nothing if you are hit by lightening before you reproduce. Think about it, chance modifies the final outcome of natural selection far more than you might realize.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:21 PM
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Evolutionary theory is not perceived as chance. The OP makes no statement about modern evolutionary theory. Nor is evolutionary theory about more complicated species. Last I checked, bacteria still proliferate in every environmental niche on the planet. They are not terribly complicated. If any form of life can be considered succesful for its adaptability, it isn't large, "complicated" species.
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That was a cool OP.

Although, like others have said, it can't be directly applied to evolution.
For example, mutation (although random in its form and occurrence) is not totally random in its placement. We have DNA repair proteins that selectively repair some parts of our DNA, while allowing other parts to mutate at a higher rate.

If we could take an organism and "shake it" to cause random mutations all over the place, like with the sand painting, then yes, eventually all life would be an amorphous blob called Dave. But mutation, and subsequently evolution has self-controlling mechanisms within and without the organism, like natural selection (which is not random) to stop us all becoming Dave.
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If everyone would go view my other thread called "Video for all ID proponents/Creationists", the video there would explain exactly what we are all talking about.

Oh, and Scuba Pete, having six arms is advantageous. That's probably why all insects have at least six appendages. :P
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Funny that, almost every introductory text on genetics, uses the coin toss to explain the concept.
Explain which concept? Genetics is a very large field of study.
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Explain which concept?
The very basis of genetics.
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The very basis of genetics.
Genes?
Variation?
Heredity?
Something else?
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Go ahead and try to describe any one of those without a reference to chance or statistics. It really can't be done.
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Go ahead and try to describe any one of those without a reference to chance or statistics. It really can't be done.
I only wanted to know which 'concept' it was you spoke of.

In genetics many events are termed random. Like mutations. There are causes for them however, although they can't always be predicted. Chance isn't a fair way to describe such events.
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