Evidence for evolution (dinosaur, myth, bible, faith, dragon)

[xxeno1]

NOVA TV Special, God, Darwin And The Dinosaurs, "...dinosaur footprints, side by side with humans. Finding them would counter evidence that humans evolved long after the dinosaurs became extinct and back up...[the] claim that all species, including man, were created at one time."

[xxeno1]

here sources

[xxeno1]

here sources you can obtain the video and watch for yourself

Title:God, Darwin and the dinosaurs [videorecording] / a production of Cineworks, Inc. in association with WGBH Boston for NOVA ; written, produced and directed by Larry Engel and Thomas Lucas.
Description:1 videocassette (58 min.) : sd., col. with b&w sequences ; 1/2 in.
Published:Princeton, NJ : Films for the Humanities, 1993, c1989.
Publisher No.:FFH 4021 Films for the Humanities
Credits:Cinematography, Larry Engel; editor, Donna Marino.
Summary:Chronicles the history of the creation-evolution controversy in the United States and examines the arguments put forth by the supporters of both views. Nova cameras document the "new" evidence in a dramatic debate between creationist Duane Gish and anthropologist Vincent Sarich, and follow several scientists as they put the theory of evolution to the test.
Notes:Title on container: God, Darwin and dinosaurs.
VHS.
Subject(s):Evolution.
Creationism.
Religion and science.
Other Author(s):Engel, Larry.
Lucas, Thomas.
Cineworks (Firm)
WGBH (Television station : Boston, Mass.)
Other Titles:God, Darwin, and dinosaurs.
Nova (Television program)
Call Number:VID 1512Notes:FULL CIRCULATIONStatus:Not Charged Check Shelf

[RRu]

Originally Posted by standing_on_one_foot

Oh, yes, certainly. As I said, there is an element of randomness. Something like looking for a particular color of sock by choosing randomly from a drawer and discarding any whose color you don't like. You wouldn't say that the socks you end up with were simply the result of random chance when you've added that element of selection in. That was more my point. It's not purely random, as some people like to suggest.

Plus, it's worthwhile to consider that a fair number of changes also come from natural variation in a population, more than big, sudden mutations. Slightly taller individuals having an advantage, for example. It's more that the tall ones do well and reproduce more and thus shift the average height up that that you run across an individual who has got a mutation that made it instantly tall. Sometimes you'll get that, too, no doubt, but I think more generally you get that first process.

thats true, but my point was more... well...

there is a big difference in a population getting taller and a population getting webbed feet. the later come from a process which is completely random (continuous copying errors of their genetic material over hundreds of thousands/millions of years). but survives perhaps because that attribute becomes an advantage to it's chance of survival over another species.

isn't gaining the characteristic completely random... but the characteristic surviving is not so random.

[xxeno1]

Louis Jacobs, Southern Methodist University, Former President of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, "co-occurrence of men and dinosaurs. Such an association would dispel an Earth with vast antiquity. The entire history of creation, including the day of rest, could be accommodated in the seven biblical days of the Genesis myth. Evolution would be vanquished." (In Quest of the African Dinosaur, p.261)

I'm done now.. you decide for yourself..

[YamiB.]

I would think that if there was such a finding that had some validity you would be able to find some articles that would provide us more detail.

Edit - If you could at least recall some more details about the quote then I could try finding more info about it. Perhaps where this occured?

[Jaymes]

Originally Posted by xxeno1

Louis Jacobs, Southern Methodist University, Former President of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, "co-occurrence of men and dinosaurs. Such an association would dispel an Earth with vast antiquity. The entire history of creation, including the day of rest, could be accommodated in the seven biblical days of the Genesis myth. Evolution would be vanquished." (In Quest of the African Dinosaur, p.261)

I'm done now.. you decide for yourself..

I'm curious as to how a quote from some guy who has no qualifications mentioned other than going to a Christian university is disproving evolution.

If you'd like to disprove evolution, have a go at these:

Similarities in DNA between all organisms. All organisms, all, use the same nucleic acids for their DNA.

The lack of mammals, fish, reptiles, and pretty much anything other than trilobites at the deepest levels of the fossil record. Where were they if everything was created at the same time?

Vestigal structures. Why do snakes and whales have remnants of hip bones essentially floating around in their bodies? It serves absolutely no purpose.

Transitional species such as archaeopteryx and microraptor. What niche could reptilian-esque birds fill that dinosaurs and birds hadn't already filled?

Don't you think it's a little misleading to call this thread "evidence for evolution" and then proceed to use it to give "evidence" for creationism?

[FerventGodSeeker]

Originally Posted by Jensa

I'm curious as to how a quote from some guy who has no qualifications mentioned other than going to a Christian university is disproving evolution.

If you'd like to disprove evolution, have a go at these:

Similarities in DNA between all organisms. All organisms, all, use the same nucleic acids for their DNA.

That's no more evidence for evolution than it is for creationism. Wow, God uses the same basic blueprint for all life. Sweet.

The lack of mammals, fish, reptiles, and pretty much anything other than trilobites at the deepest levels of the fossil record. Where were they if everything was created at the same time?

Some call it the Flood, which destroyed the vast majority of life on earth from the bottom up ...how about the sudden emergence of all kinds of animal and plant life at once in one section of the fossil record, with no evidence of them deeper than that?

Vestigal structures. Why do snakes and whales have remnants of hip bones essentially floating around in their bodies? It serves absolutely no purpose.

Well you know, God did curse the snake by causing it to crawl around on its belly...which means it must not have crawled on its belly before that...and strangely, we find these weird leftover leg-like stumps in snake skeletons...

Transitional species such as archaeopteryx and microraptor. What niche could reptilian-esque birds fill that dinosaurs and birds hadn't already filled?

What niche would it fill? No clue, we haven't seen any alive.

[Faint]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

If you're looking for an introduction to evolution, you would be much better off reading any one of many fine text books on the subject. With a little research, I'm sure you could find one that suited your needs. Otherwise, It would take hundreds of posts to adequately introduce you to the subject.

You know what Sunnyboy, I tried to Frubal you on this (must spread karma around...yada yada). I think this is an excellent answer to these types of questions. Most of the people who question evolution simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT. And it would indeed be a waste of time to try to explain it to them on a forum especially considering that they are probably biased by some crackpot, pseudo-scientific religious-based creationist nonsense which has polluted their already limited understanding of the concept.

[Faint]

Originally Posted by FerventGodSeeker

Some call it the Flood, which destroyed the vast majority of life on earth from the bottom up?

And who started that flood? Zeus of course. See here (this story predates the Bible, BTW):
When the anger of Zeus was ignited against the holism of the Pelasgians, Zeus decided to put an end to the Bronze Age with the Great Deluge...
(and)
The Deucalion legend as told by Apollodorus in The Library has some similarity to Noah's flood: Prometheus advised his son Deucalion to build a chest. All other men perished except for a few who escaped to high mountains. The mountains in Thessaly were parted, and all the world beyond the Isthmus and Peloponnese was overwhelmed. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha, after floating in the chest for nine days and nights, landed on Parnassus. An older version of the story told by Hellanicus has Deucalion's "ark" landing on Mount Othrys in Thessaly. Another account has him landing on a peak, probably Phouka, in Argolis, later called Nemea. When the rains ceased, he sacrificed to Zeus. Then, at the bidding of Zeus, he threw stones behind him, and they became men, and the stones which Pyrrha threw became women. Appollodorus gives this as an aitiology for Greek laos "people" as derived from laos "stone". The Megarians told that Megarus, son of Zeus, escaped Deucalion's flood by swimming to the top of Mount Gerania, guided by the cries of Cranes.