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Old 09-30-2004, 09:12 PM
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I need some help with something.

I`m trying to understand the whole Big Bang hypothesis.

It`s said that before the Big Bang for all intents and purposes niether space or time existed.

Now I just want to concentrate on "space" for the moment since I think if I can grasp the one the other will follow.

How can space not exist?
Even if every bit of matter and energy are gone then you will still have space won`t you?
If matter occupied every bit of space in existence ..one huge infinite piece of matter space still exist it`s just being occupied by this matter.

Q recommended some study materials on this awhile back and I checked them out and they did help me understand some things I didn`t before but I still can`t get around this.

I cannot comprehend anything other than infinite space.

Remember..I`m no physics major.
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Old 09-30-2004, 09:24 PM
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I'm sorry but this topic is a bit more than I can handle at 11:30 p.m. after a Bush/Kerry debate.

I wandered in by accident. I saw "Space?" and my mind automatically filled in "...the final frontier" so I had to see what it was about. :retarded:
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Yeah, I too have a hard time with the concept. But think of a point in geometry... It's a singularity with no dimensions. Well, that's the universe before the big bang. A singularity with no dimensions.
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Great question, linwood. Hmmm, well, the only way I can even remotely grasp such a concept is by believing that before space there was only a Being. Which, I realize, in itself, is hard to grasp. Our minds simply cannot go beyond that which we have no way of measuring. Hmmm....
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Righty, you need matter for there to be space. What you're thinking of as space is more...a lack of limitations on where matter can go. Potential space, in a sense, although that's not quite right. Because really, it's nothing. Not just lack of things, as it were, but nothing. Not there. In fact, there is no there for there to be nothing in. It's not a vacuum (coz even vacuums have structure)...it's just...well, there's no it. Basically, space and time are created with the universe, not seperate from it. It's not just this everlasting nothing that the universe shows up in. Hmm...I don't really get it myself, to be honest with you. I don't think our little human brains are really built to understand
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Maybe we could think of it this way: let's say there was empty "space" before the Big Bang. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that since there was no matter and no relative motion before the Big Bang, time itself didn't exist (because time is relative). So this "space" that existed "before" the Big Bang lasted for zero seconds...which means it never truly existed. Craziness.
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Careful here, folks; remember that the Big Bang is not the current state of thinking on the scientific explanation for the existence of the Universe. Even Stephen Hawking, the father of the "Big Bang Theory", no longer believes that it is the most accurate concept of what happens. Of course, there is no general agreement on what to replace this theory with.......
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