If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes? (reject, evolution)

Halcyon · #1 02-26-2006, 06:53 AM

This is more of a rant than a debate, so it might not go anywhere.

"If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?"

The above statement (and it is a statement, even though it looks like a question) has been issued from countless anti-evolutionist mouths, its probably the most spouted 'argument' people use when trying to debunk evolution. I'm surprised there aren't anti-evolution posters with it on (unless there are, post here if you've seen one

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When uttered, this sentence informs you that the speaker knows absolutely nothing about evolution. They disbelieve in evolution, yet they have no idea how evolution works.
How can anyone choose to believe humans were divinely created and reject alternative theories without even spending five minutes looking into those alternatives?
Then they have the audacity to make statements like the above! It drives me crazy.

I believe in evolution, yet I've still explored and understand the basic principles behind the alternative theories. How can you properly debate this subject with willfully ignorant people?

MidnightBlue · #2 02-26-2006, 07:01 AM

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How can you properly debate this subject with willfully ignorant people?

Willfully ignorant. You can't. If they were reasonable, or interested in knowing the facts, there wouldn't be any reason for the debate in the first place.

Halcyon · #3 02-26-2006, 07:05 AM

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Willfully ignorant. You can't. If they were reasonable, or interested in knowing the facts, there wouldn't be any reason for the debate in the first place.

I don't know about that. If someone understood evolution properly, but still chose not to believe it, then you could debate them. Its the people who have no knowledge whatsoever, but still try and argue against it that irk me.

jeffrey · #4 02-26-2006, 07:25 AM

Why did some not evolve? Maybe because they were smarter then the ones that did? Just a thought.

Halcyon · #5 02-26-2006, 07:39 AM

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Why did some not evolve? Maybe because they were smarter then the ones that did? Just a thought.

They did evolve, they evolved into gorillas, chimps and orangutans - that's the whole point.

jeffrey · #6 02-26-2006, 07:49 AM

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They did evolve, they evolved into gorillas, chimps and orangutans - that's the whole point.

Maybe we didn't evolve from apes. Maybe we evolved from pigs. Our DNA is closer to pigs then apes. There's something to think about. Oink oink.

Halcyon · #7 02-26-2006, 08:00 AM

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Maybe we didn't evolve from apes. Maybe we evolved from pigs. Our DNA is closer to pigs then apes. There's something to think about. Oink oink.

No it isn't, where did you get that 'information' from?

jeffrey · #8 02-26-2006, 08:14 AM

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No it isn't, where did you get that 'information' from?

Medical shows. They use pig heart values in some bypass surgeries because their DNA is close to ours.

Halcyon · #9 02-26-2006, 08:18 AM

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Medical shows. They use pig heart values in some bypass surgeries because their DNA is close to ours.

No. They use pig heart valves and sometimes whole hearts because the structure is similar enough to work pretty well.

If our DNA were closer to a pig than a chimp, then we'd look more like a pig than a chimp. But we don't.

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Why pigs? Primates would be a closer match genetically to humans, but they are more difficult to clone and have a much lower rate of reproduction. Of the animal species that have been cloned successfully, pig tissues and organs are more similar to those of humans. To create a "knock-out" pig, scientists must inactivate the genes that cause the human immune system to reject an implanted pig organ. The genes are knocked out in individual cells, which are then used to create clones from which organs can be harvested. In 2002, a British biotechnology company reported that it was the first to produce "double knock-out" pigs that have been genetically engineered to lack both copies of a gene involved in transplant rejection. More research is needed to study the transplantation of organs from "knock-out" pigs to other animals.

from http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresource....shtml#organsQ