Evolution vs. Creation: Proof Needed (Earth, dinosaur, mystic, blood)

[michel]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

I may not be of much help. But I see that you are a Christian, so why not see what the Bible says. I will keep this short.

Genesis chapter one: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, And the evening and the morning were the first day v.5. Note at the end of each day of creation, it ends with, "And the evening and the morning were the second day." And the evening and the morning were the third day." etc.

So he establishes exactly what a day is, a 24 hour day, then re-establishes the 24 hour day at the end of every day of creation.

Then he looks at all he made and says its very good. v.31 In verse 30 he says the animals were to eat every green herb for meat.

So, it was very good, the animals didnt eat each other, sin had not entered into the world, therefore no death, for sin is what brought death and the fall. Therefore, you can't have millions of years of death going on before all this and call it very good.

And the new testament verifies, that, in Romans stating that by one man, Adam, sin entered the world, and therfore death, and by one man, Jesus the sin was paid for.

So simply using the Bible, you can see that God created the Heavens and the Earth, in 6 literal days, and saw it was very good, and then Adam came along , sinned, bringing in death, and the whole creation fell and changed, and has been that way ever since. Hope you enjoyed that, PEACE!

Well I sure did! Way to go, Joe!

[Feathers in Hair]

I was telling my mom about this thread, and she suggested that you might want to see if there's anything that Bob Jones University has put out. That's only if you're looking for more creationalism arguments or counter-arguments.

[Khale]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

I may not be of much help. But I see that you are a Christian, so why not see what the Bible says...

...So simply using the Bible, you can see that God created the Heavens and the Earth, in 6 literal days, and saw it was very good, and then Adam came along , sinned, bringing in death, and the whole creation fell and changed, and has been that way ever since. Hope you enjoyed that, PEACE!

You are correct, I am a christian. The reason, however, I am not relying on the bible for an explanation of creation is that I don't believe the bible to be a book of fact, but a book of theology. I also have some problems with using one source to verify itself, seems kind of sketchy. What I do believe is that God created something (maybe the big bang, maybe the world) and then his creation evolved from there.

Now, the reasons that I am not arguing for creation is because:

+ I believe that all arguments should be presented equally from all sides.
+ I believe, as I stated above, that the bible is a book of theology and not necessarily correct on this subject.
+ I know that the arguments to be used will be based mostly on misunderstandings.

To everyone else who replied to my thread; Thank you for your expedient and helpful replies. If you have any more information please continue to post it. I still have three days.

[Ceridwen018]

Khale, I agree that you should encourage the opposition to keep the Bible out of it. The evolution vs. creation debate is supposed to be a scientific one, and the Bible is simply not scientific.

[Scuba Pete]

Here's to Feather's danglies! Bwahahaha!!!

[painted wolf]

sometimes they try to say that certen living things 'suddenly' appeared as if out of nowhere...
trilobites for example.. here is a link to thier evoltion, and that of the triobite eye: http://www.trilobites.info/
the eye in general: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/04/
http://www.origins.tv/darwin/eyes.htm
http://www.karger.com/gazette/64/fernald/art_1_0.htm

I could post dozens of helpful links but I hope these few will be a good start.

wa:do

[Mr Spinkles]

Khale-- You clearly have an open mind, and I suspect that your intuition about your friend's seminar (that it will be heavily biased and filled with misinformation) will turn out to be correct.

Unfortunately, time is not on your side. The less knowledgable about evolution and paleontology and biological facts you are, the better it will be for your friend.

[CMIYC]

My argument against evolution is this: evolution is not an overnight thing and if it were possible it would take a lot longer then the stretch of our imagination. For a start, crocodiles and various insects including mosquitoes have been found fossilized along side of dinosaurs, without any evolutionary change. Nest, all living things are protected by genealogy, so, oranges could never merge with apples and horses with cows and humans with apes. It is for that reason that the reproduction between warm blooded creatures and cold blooded creatures would be impossible. Not unless you believe evolution happened overnight.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by CMIYC

My argument against evolution is this: evolution is not an overnight thing and if it were possible it would take a lot longer then the stretch of our imagination.

According to what scientific evidence?

Originally Posted by CMIYC

For a start, crocodiles and various insects including mosquitoes have been found fossilized along side of dinosaurs, without any evolutionary change.

So what? Evolution is not replacement.

Originally Posted by CMIYC

Nest, all living things are protected by genealogy, ...

What does this have to do with evolution?

Originally Posted by CMIYC

Not unless you believe evolution happened overnight.

I believe that you know nothing about evolution.

[CMIYC]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

According to what scientific evidence?
What does this have to do with evolution?

At some stage the creatures evolving would be incomputable genealogically, ( meaning incompatible to mate) assuming there was a transition from cold blooded to warm blooded, as it is believed so far. You need to study evolution to know what Im talking about.