Ants and leaves - the Gift

[Amill]

Originally Posted by nnmartin

Impossible for this to have been passed down through the genetic code - how could you give a chemical signal that tells an ant that if sometime in its life it were to encounter an unpassable channel of water it is to make a raft!

Lol if chemical signals didn't play a part in the ant's decision to use a raft, what was it?

Originally Posted by nnmartin

Ants can't learn , they can only do.

And you know this how?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_running

Tandem running is a method of recruitment used by some species of ants, such as Temnothorax albipennis, to lead nestmates to food. It is dissimilar to other recruitment strategies used by social insects such as pheromone trails, in that ants using tandem running can recruit only one worker at a time. During a tandem run, the worker leads the recruit, which maintains contact with the leader using her antennae.[1]

Does the ant "learn" where the food is after being led there? What would you describe it as?

[nnmartin]

A kind of natural intelligence is conveyed upon the ants when they need it - they tune into this intelligence collectively.

The tandem running of the ants is not the same a planning ahead - which would be the case with cutting down leaves.

[nnmartin]

Originally Posted by Noaidi

Do you have evidence for the highlighted parts? If so, can you tell us where we can obtain it so we can evaluate it for ourselves?

You can obtain it by communing with nature.

Spend some time in a forest living amongst it all - The Force of Nature will make itself known to you.

[nnmartin]

Originally Posted by A. T. Henderson

Oh, and I can't help but notice that you didn't attempt to defend your earlier absurdities. Given up on them in favour of this new tosh?

I don't recall any specific absurdities.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to remind me?

[Noaidi]

Originally Posted by nnmartin

You can obtain it by communing with nature.

Spend some time in a forest living amongst it all - The Force of Nature will make itself known to you.

Interesting response. Given that you are making specific claims about the way you think Nature works, I was hoping for evidence in terms of tested hypotheses and data to back up your emphatic claims of "Impossible! Can't be done!" Seems like you can't supply this, in which case your ideas don't really amount to much.

As far as communing with Nature is concerned, have a wee look at my profile and see what I'm all about!

[nnmartin]

I see Atheist/Nature - what does that mean exactly?

I take it you don't believe nature has any Divine Power?

Odd that you expect me to be able to come up with a tested hypothesis for the existence of The Force , could a Christian prove that God existed?

[A. T. Henderson]

Originally Posted by nnmartin

I don't recall any specific absurdities.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to remind me?

The claims, running throughout this thread, that all animals in some way physically resemble humans, wish to become humans, and that humans are the objective of evolution.

[nnmartin]

Most land based mammals certainly resemble humans , as do many reptiles and birds. Some insects are also quite similar in shape.

The animals themselves don't specifically wish to become humans but the Force wishes them to and so guides evolution along the right path.

I admit that this is impossible to prove but I know it to be true as the Gift of this knowledge was passed into my DNA at conception.

[A. T. Henderson]

Originally Posted by nnmartin

Most land based mammals certainly resemble humans , as do many reptiles and birds. Some insects are also quite similar in shape.

Utterly untrue, as can be seen by simply looking at them. The only mammals which even vaguely resemble us are the primates, and that's because, as I believe I've mentioned, we share direct ancestry.

There are no even vaguely humanoid insects. The mere fact of them having six legs attached at the thorax rules that out instantly.

Originally Posted by nnmartin

The animals themselves don't specifically wish to become humans but the Force wishes them to and so guides evolution along the right path.

Substantiate this claim. Evolutionary theory makes it quite plain that this is impossible, and why would your supposed "Force" want it to be so? Species are adapted for their environments, and humans would be completely worthless in many ecological niches.

There is nothing, anywhere, to indicate that evolution is guided by anything other than natural selection.

Originally Posted by nnmartin

I admit that this is impossible to prove but I know it to be true as the Gift of this knowledge was passed into my DNA at conception.

So what you're saying is that you can't back up any of your nonsense at all, not even with reasoned argument.

I am unsurprised.

[nnmartin]

Originally Posted by A. T. Henderson

.. why would your supposed "Force" want it to be so? Species are adapted for their environments, and humans would be completely worthless in many ecological niches.

There is nothing, anywhere, to indicate that evolution is guided by anything other than natural selection.

Humans as animals would be useless in many environments but they have the ability of intelligence to adapt the environment to suit them. This is why the Force guides evolution on.

The Force wants intelligent beings to take care of the Earth and then ultimately to travel to other planets and populate them. Sea-horses, monkeys, dogs and ants cannot do this - so men are required in sufficient numbers to increase the chances.

Order needs to be put back into the universe to stop it expanding into nothingness - humans in this solar system have the ability long term to do this.

It is their role as guided by The Central Source - The Force is physical power given out from the centre.

Is that more clear now?