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Old 10-13-2011, 05:45 PM
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Some major flaws here....

1) There is no "Cancer gene"... there are alleles of particular genes that can make you more prone to develop cancer as you age.
2) Cancer isn't just genetic... you have alleles that make you more prone to get cancer, but that doesn't mean that you have a 100% chance of developing cancer.

now about mistakes about Natural Selection....

1) Natural Selection doesn't mean that "bad genes" get removed from the population... it means that genes that prevent an individual from surviving long enough to reproduce are rare in the population.
2) "Bad genes" is mistaken idea anyway as many genes that may be dangerous in some situations are beneficial in others... for example Sickle Cell gene.
3) Natural Selection doesn't mean that eventually living things become perfect... it means that over time they change to adapt to their situation.

The best examples of Natural Selection in humans are the spread of the Lactose tolerance alleles and the spread of the Blue Eyes allele. All of these started with a single individual and have spread through the population due to their different selective advantages and characteristics. But there are lot's of other examples in humans.

So, no... just saying "cancer is bad therefore natural selection is wrong" doesn't work.

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Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common
If natural selection is true, then why are various populations of the current generation of humanity riddled with diseases and unfavorable traits? How many generations have we had? Why are these disease still here? According to natural selection these traits should not be common, but they are, just look at rapid disease rates amongst certain populations. Millions of years of natural selection and human beings are immune to nothing? Man can not even cure a common cold. After millions or 1000s of years of this "natural selection" man is not even immune from a common cold? It doesn't add up, natural selection is laughable. Unfavourable traits are clearly common today, not rare like natural selection says they are.

It also needs to be explained why human brains have shrunken in the last 20,000 years by nearly 20%. Natural selection is it? Really? And it's also natural selection that human beings are getting smaller according to scientific statistics?

Natural selection is a social and political theory, it was used so people thought things were getting better. The theory is shot down by all available evidence.
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If natural selection is true, then why is the current generation of humanity riddled with diseases and unfavorable traits? How many generations have we had? Why are they still here?
Because they don't hinder reproduction...duh...
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If natural selection is true, then why are various populations of the current generation of humanity riddled with diseases and unfavorable traits?
Have you ever actually read a book on the subject?
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I dont think he has a high school education on the subject, if he does I would think he failed
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because bacteria and viruses evolve to [facepalm]

you ever heard of biomechanics?
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If natural selection is true, then why are various populations of the current generation of humanity riddled with diseases and unfavorable traits? How many generations have we had? Why are these disease still here? According to natural selection these traits should not be common, but they are, just look at rapid disease rates amongst certain populations.
Because a lot of our modern diseases are the result of very modern phenomena... the industrial toxins in our environment have only been around a couple of generations.
Diabetes, Heart Disease and Cancer and so on are a result of our new living situation and will take a long time to sort out.

The good news is we already are seeing beneficial alleles granting resistance to those diseases apparing in the population and they are starting to spread. Natural Selection at work.

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Millions of years of natural selection and human beings are immune to nothing? Man can not even cure a common cold. After millions or 1000s of years of this "natural selection" man is not even immune from a common cold? It doesn't add up, natural selection is laughable. Unfavourable traits are clearly common today, not rare like natural selection says they are.
The common cold is not a human trait... it's a virus that is evolving faster than we are to keep itself infectious.
But then, you don't see anyone dying of the Spanish Influenza today either... nor are they likely to drop dead of the "Black Death" almost instantly.

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It also needs to be explained why human brains have shrunken in the last 20,000 years by nearly 20%. Natural selection is it? Really? And it's also natural selection that human beings are getting smaller according to scientific statistics?
More like 10%
But brain size isn't everything, smaller brains are actually better at not killing mothers as our pelvis isn't getting any bigger.
Plus, have I mentioned the effect that environmental pollutants can play? Tar Shrank Heads of Prehistoric Californians Over Time?

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Natural selection is a social and political theory, it was used so people thought things were getting better. The theory is shot down by all available evidence.
Hardly.

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If accident dropped radioactive waste or some kind of chemical on 2000 people, the generations of those people would still have it, infact the bad traits would continue to be common, "natural selection" would not get rid of those traits, go and speak to some of the successive generations of the WW2 soldiers or Vietnam whos ancestors spent time working with chemicals or were hit by bombs or gases, this natural selection is a fairytale.
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If accident dropped radioactive waste or some kind of chemical on 2000 people, the generations of those people would still have it, infact the bad traits would continue to be common, "natural selection" would not get rid of those traits, go and speak to some of the successive generations of the WW2 soldiers or Vietnam whos ancestors spent time working with chemicals or were hit by bombs or gases, this natural selection is a fairytale.
That's nice. Care to actually read a book on the subject you're refuting now?
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