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Old 09-07-2011, 10:06 AM
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And yet, you have thus far been completely unable to present even one of these lists...


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Still waiting for one of those lists...
He still thinks Evolution is based on Faith, that's his problem. He is thinking it would replace his own faith to accept the theory of Evolution and that is just absolutely flawed.
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:53 AM
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Millions have examined the evidence and disagree with you, among them many scientists.
The more one examines the evidence for evolution, the more likely one is to agree with it. Fully two thirds of the general population agree that we are evolving. When you look at the people who actually have access to the raw data and know how to analyze it, acceptance rises to 97%. If the evidence against evolution is so clear, then why don't more scientists reject it?

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Old 09-07-2011, 12:23 PM
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The more one examines the evidence for evolution, the more likely one is to agree with it. Fully two thirds of the general population agree that we are evolving. When you look at the people who actually have access to the raw data and know how to analyze it, acceptance rises to 97%. If the evidence against evolution is so clear, then why don't more scientists reject it?


I feel a Douglas Adams quote coming on!
Richard Dawkins is quite an avid fan of that quote, and Douglas Adams is certainly not wrong.

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As to scientists who reject evolution, lists of these are publicly available.
Lists of biological scientists? I've never come across one, so how about sharing yours?

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Anyone with a thinking mind "really counts".
Ah, you're the one who set the goal post when you said " . . . many people, including scientists, . . ." All I'm asking is who are these scientists---biological scientists---a group of people you felt worthy of singling out?

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Each should examine the evidence for himself, rather than rely on the priesthood of evolution theory to tell him what the evidence proves.
And you think "each" person is qualified to do this? Have you taken human anthropology, biology, microbiology, molecular and cellular biology, plant biology, evolutionary biology, anatomy and physiology, comparative vertebrate anatomy, genetics, natural history of vertebrates, and had a biological Internship? If not I'm afraid you're in a poor position to examine the facts all on your own.

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Your statement that only certain scientists are "qualified to examine the evidence" speaks volumes.
If nothing else it should tell you that I value an educated conclusion more than I do an uneducated one.
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The more one examines the evidence for evolution, the more likely one is to agree with it. Fully two thirds of the general population agree that we are evolving. When you look at the people who actually have access to the raw data and know how to analyze it, acceptance rises to 97%. If the evidence against evolution is so clear, then why don't more scientists reject it?


I feel a Douglas Adams quote coming on!
Ah, you mean like the atheists Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung?

No, the minority of Americans support evolution -- Poll: Creationism Trumps Evolution - CBS News You're way off base there.

But it's not a popularity contest, it's what God says about it is true, and says Creationism. He ought to know he did it!

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Ah, you mean like the atheists Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung?

No, the minority of Americans support evolution -- Poll: Creationism Trumps Evolution - CBS News You're way off base there.

But it's not a popularity contest, it's what God says about it is true, and says Creationism. He ought to know he did it!

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.---Scripture Quotations Taken from the NASB
How does any of what you just posted pertain to what the discussion is about? In general, americans are extremely ignorant about science, that should come as no surprise.
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Ah, you mean like the atheists Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung?

No, the minority of Americans support evolution -- Poll: Creationism Trumps Evolution - CBS News You're way off base there.

But it's not a popularity contest, it's what God says about it is true, and says Creationism. He ought to know he did it!

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.---Scripture Quotations Taken from the NASB
When was the last time a majority of Americans made smart decisions?

When was the last time a majority of Americans understood the basic functions of a computer?

When was the last time a majority of Americans even knew what evolution is?

No, I think that majority is not the majority that matters, as the average population of a country is NOT capable of speaking on matters of scientific concern.

As far as you, what do you know about evolution that allows you to refute it with such a simple, ignorant statement?
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Lists of biological scientists? I've never come across one, so how about sharing yours?

Ah, you're the one who set the goal post when you said " . . . many people, including scientists, . . ." All I'm asking is who are these scientists---biological scientists---a group of people you felt worthy of singling out?

And you think "each" person is qualified to do this? Have you taken human anthropology, biology, microbiology, molecular and cellular biology, plant biology, evolutionary biology, anatomy and physiology, comparative vertebrate anatomy, genetics, natural history of vertebrates, and had a biological Internship? If not I'm afraid you're in a poor position to examine the facts all on your own.

If nothing else it should tell you that I value an educated conclusion more than I do an uneducated one.

If nothing else a simple google search reveals that scientists who do not believe Evolution is correct exist. Anti-Evolution Biologist Sues Woods Hole - Books - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Why does he not believe? It certainly has to do with his religious beliefs, but a post-doctorate is still a scientist.


With that said I fail to see how the topic being discussed so far has anything to do with creationism versus evolution. Evolution is not precluded by creation unless you mean biblical creation. Biblical creation lacks scientific backing. Creation vis-a-vis intelligent design doesn't preclude evolution, but it is beyond the scope of human evidence. So why bother trying to speculate?

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Why must creationism and evolution be separate?

Why sully fact with fantasy?
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No, the minority of Americans support evolution -- Poll: Creationism Trumps Evolution - CBS News You're way off base there.
How about something a little more current and scientific.

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A majority of the public (61%) says that human and other living things have evolved over time, though when probed only about a third (32%) say this evolution is “due to natural processes such as natural selection” while 22% say “a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today.” Another 31% reject evolution and say that “humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.
Section 5: Evolution, Climate Change and Other Issues | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

You're right, this is not a popularity contest, but it easily disproves any claim that those who have studied evolution are more likely to reject it.
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