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Old 05-19-2010, 01:59 PM
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Then we definitely have different ideas of what "morality" is because like it or not it is exactly how you described.



You must first define "morals" in a manner that everyone agrees with to do this.

Have fun with that.

I myself would decline participation in the society you desrcibe.
So you would decline a society that aims to not cause harm to any sentient being, and as much as we are able educate one another and future generations that this is the best way to live.

Why?
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:14 PM
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So you would decline a society that aims to not cause harm to any sentient being, and as much as we are able educate one another and future generations that this is the best way to live.

Because it`s a black & white ideology and therefore extremist.

Define sentient.
Then tell me if a Tuna is a sentient being by the definition you just gave me.
a dog?a cow? a silkworm?a bee? a bonobo?

Then tell me why I should accept your definition and the arbitrary standards used to arrive at your answers.

Is it morally acceptable to take dairy product from cattle?

If so why?

Why is it acceptable to forcibly take a beings bodily fluids but not kill it?

Is it morally permissible to use test animals to study a cure for AIDs?
A cure for AID`s would save millions of humans.

My justification for exploiting animals is the higher value I place on humans.

Once you`ve justified any violation then any other standards made are nothing more than rationalization.

I do not wish to live within a society that values all equally.
All within such a society will end up with no value.
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:20 PM
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a society that values all equally.
All within such a society will end up with no value.
Wow, that is quite a leap, any evidence for that?
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:34 PM
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Wow, that is quite a leap, any evidence for that?
No, it`s my own personal unfounded opinion.

Is there nothing else within my post you would question?
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Old 05-19-2010, 03:11 PM
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No, it`s my own personal unfounded opinion.

Is there nothing else within my post you would question?
Well I am sure I could comment on the other parts of your post, but I assume they all support the final conclusion of your post, which is why I addressed that part.

Essentially your position is that there are far to many things that fall out of black and white, to not make what I am suggesting possible. Doesn't hurt to try it does it? No pun intended.
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Old 05-20-2010, 06:07 AM
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Well I am sure I could comment on the other parts of your post, but I assume they all support the final conclusion of your post, which is why I addressed that part.
Actually the conclusion to my post was
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Essentially your position is that there are far to many things that fall out of black and white, to not make what I am suggesting possible. Doesn't hurt to try it does it?

You`re talking about drastically altering the ethical systems humans interact under.
I think it might hurt yes.
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