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Old 01-14-2010, 11:17 AM
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Why does your daughter want a laptop? Will it help her do better in school and thus make her more successful in life or is it so she can chat all weekend without getting out of bed? Also, if the laptop wasn't a factor, would the money be donated to charity? Most people won't give their last bit of "extra" to any cause. If they do they are not taking care of themselves first and that can be dangerous.
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:25 AM
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This can go down to more than the purchase of a lap top.

It can go down to as long as you have ANYTHING that you dont really need to keep clean water and basic food needs for your self then you are in a sense killing someone else by not givign them your excess .

There was even the tread on animals too.The why kill an animal that attacks a human.Do ya'll know how much money (we ) spent /spend on having animals ?

Everything..why spend money on having anything whatsoever as long as there are children(or adults for that matter) who dont have enough food or water?

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Old 01-16-2010, 10:06 PM
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If you buy the laptop for your daughter, how do you justify ignoring the 125 people who could have been saved?

(I don't claim to know correct answer, although I do have one that is thought out).
You can't do both?

Also, in a market economy buying things is what employs people so that they can buy health care and other basic necessities. The argument that the consumption of luxury items detracts from basic necessity is not a very good one.
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If you buy the laptop for your daughter, how do you justify ignoring the 125 people who could have been saved?

(I don't claim to know correct answer, although I do have one that is thought out).
Well... if I had to justify it, (as the thread asks us to do) I would probably say that buying the laptop for my daughter (if she's in school) is more important to me on a personal level than the lives of people I don't know and am not related to. It is not my goal in life to save the lives of others. I am no saint. I am not perfect. While people will argue against this, I do not believe that I am responsible for the lives of everyone around me. People die, it is a fact. Everyone justifies not giving money to some cause or another, because we all want computers and a "decent" lifestyle. If you don't believe me, count the number of people on RF. All of them have access to, or own, a computer. We could all save the lives of everyone, but it is a genetic conditioning that keeps us wanting to help our own. People come before animals, friends come before strangers, and family comes before friends.

Does my daughter need the laptop? If I want her to succeed, assuming she's at the university level of study, I believe she does. Do others need medical help? Yes, they do, but perhaps it is in everyone's best interest to take care of their own, beginning with family, in order to help those around us. Once we can take care of ourselves, our families, our communities, and our countries, perhaps then it is time to take a look outside of that. How do I justify living in a Western country? I can't... it's where I was born, and it's the life I happen to know. Is it justified to wipe my hands of people I don't know, but need help? That's a tough one. I suppose that this dilemma could be answered with another question.... why should I?

Well, most people would answer that if I were in another situation, I would want help too. Honestly though, because I'm not perfect, I would probably end up hating those that could help me. Even if I did get medical help from someone who felt it was more important to help save my life (and other lives) than buy their children a laptop, I'd have to wonder if my life was worth living. Assuming that the people who need help are in a foreign third world country, I wonder if I would want to be alive at all. I probably would. But I would probably end up being thankful AND spiteful that my country couldn't help me first. That my people couldn't help each other, and that it takes someone from a Western country, whom I would despise, to have pity on me, that I could carry on my daily grind. I'm not perfect.

It could be considered ignorant, but I took this position for the sake of argument.
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Old 01-17-2010, 06:52 AM
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You can't do both?

Also, in a market economy buying things is what employs people so that they can buy health care and other basic necessities. The argument that the consumption of luxury items detracts from basic necessity is not a very good one.
I never thought of it that way but so true.

Also with a lap top I dont think of it anymore as only a "luxury" anyway.I mean sure there is no doubt you can live without one..(and by that I mean a computer with internet not just a lap top style) but more and more they are being used for kids to do research and even electronic homework for college courses.And things like bank statements ..I for example dont recieve any "paper" bank statements...You can pay yoru bills online etc...Oh job searches.We were helping our son look for a job and all of them were "e-mail only inquiries"..Its getting to where its more than just a convenience.Even though it definately is a time saver.

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If you buy the laptop for your daughter, how do you justify ignoring the 125 people who could have been saved?

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Maybe the use of the lap top will make her smarter, she will be able to get a better job that pays more money and have enough money for 250 people to be saved.
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If you're contemplating buying a laptop, and yet you don't make enough money to also give generously to charitable causes, then in reality you probably can't really afford that laptop.

One good way to accomplish several means is for you and your daughter to figure out how many volunteer hours would "pay" for that laptop. Then you and your daughter can go volunteer your time to "pay" for the luxury of a laptop. This would accomplish a lot of things - you would be leading by example, you would be teaching your daughter the monetary value of work, and you would truly be helping others while investing, not only in your community, but in your relationship with your child.
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I would just acknowledge and admit to myself the fact that I'm an evil, selfish ******* and move on.
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If you're contemplating buying a laptop, and yet you don't make enough money to also give generously to charitable causes, then in reality you probably can't really afford that laptop.

One good way to accomplish several means is for you and your daughter to figure out how many volunteer hours would "pay" for that laptop. Then you and your daughter can go volunteer your time to "pay" for the luxury of a laptop. This would accomplish a lot of things - you would be leading by example, you would be teaching your daughter the monetary value of work, and you would truly be helping others while investing, not only in your community, but in your relationship with your child.
But who is to decide what giving 'generously" is?

And for that matter what is a "charitable" organization?

Why would'nt it be considered "charitable" for a parent to spend hard earned money to provide their child with a lap top?

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