End times, Now? (Jesus, bible)

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Elvendon

Consider it done

Forgive my theological blunder!

No problem at all. I think that your thoughts are very insightful and recognize the awesome impact of the cross/resurrection event in Christianity. Your view only needs slight modification to be orthodox - ifthat is your intent.

I've actually seen "cosmic Christ" in both popular and scholarly work.

You're right - the cross/resurrection changeseverything - but the continuance of our history/world/cosmos with the time of Christ is important. Paul thought that we had one foot in this world and the other in the next - we have citizenship in the new cosmos through Christ - like an engagement to marry, but the consummation has not taken place, at least not from the point of view of the NT.

[Elvendon]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

No problem at all. I think that your thoughts are very insightful and recognize the awesome impact of the cross/resurrection event in Christianity. Your view only needs slight modification to be orthodox - ifthat is your intent.

It is. I have no desire to be an apostate

I've actually seen "cosmic Christ" in both popular and scholarly work.

Yeah, that's where I got it from. I didn't mean to pass it off as my own thinking, I apologise. I did want to refer to the guy who developed Creation Spirituality and coined the Cosmic Christ phrase, but I couldn't remember his name ><

You're right - the cross/resurrection changeseverything - but the continuance of our history/world/cosmos with the time of Christ is important. Paul thought that we had one foot in this world and the other in the next - we have citizenship in the new cosmos through Christ - like an engagement to marry, but the consummation has not taken place, at least not from the point of view of the NT.

Right you are. I do like that idea - sort of waiting on the cusp of a new age ^^

Still, I do like seeing the signs of that world to come all around me. I feel and see the Spirit of God in all things, but it is not yet fully expressed - just as you say.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Elvendon

It is. I have no desire to be an apostate

Big difference between apostate and honest mistake.

Yeah, that's where I got it from. I didn't mean to pass it off as my own thinking, I apologise. I did want to refer to the guy who developed Creation Spirituality and coined the Cosmic Christ phrase, but I couldn't remember his name ><

No apology needed - I meant it as a compliment thinking that you came up with it originally - which would have been entirely possible. Just Google "cosmic Christ." You'll see that it's widely used. I don't recall who came up with it originally, but even Paul and John used "cosmos" in their theologizing so it's been with us from the beginning.

Still, I do like seeing the signs of that world to come all around me. I feel and see the Spirit of God in all things, but it is not yet fully expressed - just as you say.

Hence the joy and reward of faith.

[Mystic-als]

Okay. if I have followed this correctly. The end times have happened already but not here?

[Elvendon]

@ A_E - thanks for being so helpful! It's always nice to have a guide towards Orthodoxy.

Originally Posted by Mystic-als

Okay. if I have followed this correctly. The end times have happened already but not here?

I think that was my point that we discussed and I now accept isn't the Christian view. Essentially, I think where we are now is that the decisive act of the "apocalypse" has already happened (Jesus' death and resurrection) and this did change everything absolutely - but the final bangs, whistles and fulfillment of the end-times is yet to come.

A_E, care to help me out here?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Mystic-als

Okay. if I have followed this correctly. The end times have happened already but not here?

The Church believes that Jesus is the Messiah, and understands this coming and subsequent pouring out of the holy Spirit as fulfilling apocalyptic (=end time = eschatological) expectations. This fulfillment is cosmic in nature and effects everything in creation: the whole cosmos was touched by the power of the incarnation, death, and resurrection of the Creator.

In other words, we creatures have been touched by God.

We've been living in the apocalpse/eschaton/ end times since the coming of Christ - we're still in that history until God brings this history to an end with a new beginning and redeems or destroys all things through Christ.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Elvendon

@ A_E - thanks for being so helpful! It's always nice to have a guide towards Orthodoxy.

No problem.

Folks correct me all the time.

[Mystic-als]

Okay. So then this world could be viewed as heaven? Or paradise?