Celtic Spirituality (Earth, the passion, tradition, creation, churches)

[stephenw]

In the introduction to the above book Christopher Bamford redfers to the 8th Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (869C.E.) where it was decided to reduce the human from body soul and spirit to body and soul only which Bamford says meant that the "metaphysical definition of the human being in the West was crippled". The consequence of this he asserts was "literalism and abstraction."
Interesting stuff.

[Random]

Originally Posted by stephenw

In the introduction to the above book Christopher Bamford redfers to the 8th Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (869C.E.) where it was decided to reduce the human from body soul and spirit to body and soul only which Bamford says meant that the "metaphysical definition of the human being in the West was crippled". The consequence of this he asserts was "literalism and abstraction."
Interesting stuff.

It is, worth giving thought to. Do you think the Church Fathers found the Celtic Spirit particularly troublesome and difficult to Christianize?

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by Random

It is, worth giving thought to. Do you think the Church Fathers found the Celtic Spirit particularly troublesome and difficult to Christianize?

Yes I do. I imagine things like Columba referring to Christ as his druid really ticked them off. I think that the presence of a grey area rather than a dividing line between paganism and Christianity was hard for them to swallow. As was the role of women in the Celtic tradition and the perceived goodness of humanity, including human sexuality.
I'd love to have beeen a fly on the wall at the Synod of Whitby.

[kai]

historians do not employ the term “Celtic Church”, since that entails a sense of there being a unified and identifiable entity separated from greater Latin Christendom.

this is the problem you may find yourself looking for a long lost mythical church that didnt really exist as such but modern "celts" love to think so

Celtic Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by kai

historians do not employ the term “Celtic Church”, since that entails a sense of there being a unified and identifiable entity separated from greater Latin Christendom.

this is the problem you may find yourself looking for a long lost mythical church that didnt really exist as such but modern "celts" love to think so

Celtic Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are the first to use the term 'Celtic Church' on this thread. The lack of unity and identifiable entity that seperated the tradition of Columba, Eriugena, Patrick, Brigid and others from Latin Christendom is precisely what draws me to it. It is not about Dogma it's about figuring it out for yourself. That is why the emphasis of the tradition is on John who represents knowledge and contemplation rather than Peter who represents action and faith.
I refer to Celtic spirituality and the Celtic tradition. Part of what I find interesting about this tradition is the individuality of humanity it embraced, as Jean Markle writes "The essence of Celtic philosophy would appear to be a search for individual freedom, not based in any egoism, but founded in the belief that each person is special and therefore different from others, that behaviour cannot be modelled on a pattern created by others"
I have no interest in looking for a long lost mythical church. I am interested in the theology of the like of Pelagius, Eriugena and others.

[kai]

whats pelagious or Eriugena to do with "celtic" anything , other than being born in britain, is that the only link.

in fact whats "celtic" got to do with christianity. religion is all about figuring it out for yourself.

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by kai

whats pelagious or Eriugena to do with "celtic" anything , other than being born in britain, is that the only link

Where are you trying to go with this?
They are referred to by some as Celtic. In modern times we have a Celtic league in rugby. It relates to the areas the teams come from.
The point is?

[kai]

Originally Posted by stephenw

Where are you trying to go with this?
They are referred to by some as Celtic. In modern times we have a Celtic league in rugby. It relates to the areas the teams come from.
The point is?

yes i think i am on the wrong track, celtic spirituality was destroyed by the christians you would have a hard job finding anything authentic, of course there are celtic leagues in rugby etc but very little to do with celts , even italy had a large celtic population before rome overan it . but on with your discussion i am out of order here my missunderstanding.