GBLT people in the church (priest, ritual, homosexuality, churches)

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Angelfire

1. I have no idea what you mean by this.

2. Dont agree with you, God does not call his children to "come down"

3. The laity are not called upon to preach holiness, repentance, conforming to the image of Christ as the clergy are. I have been an Anglican for most of my life and I can assure you that Anglicans believe that Christ conquered death through his
sacrifice on the cross, and thru repentance we can share that victory.

4. Dying daily to self (gaining mastery) is what it is all about, God cannot fill an already full vessel.

5. We are called upon to love all people but we are not called upon to accept something we perceive to be wrong.





peace

1. Which part of my post is the part of which you "have no idea?"

2. Then disagree also with BBT, who's an Episcopal priest. Disagree with my bishop, my ordination committee, my Commission on Ministry, my professors, my priests, (etc. etc.) who happen to agree with BBT's take on the nature of ordination. It appears to be a common theological POV in the Episcopal Church.

3. The laity are called to live the Good News in the same way that the clergy are. One's Christian authority comes from one place: Baptism. All ordination does is authorize God's call to live into and fulfill the duties of one particular office of the ministry of the whole Body. There is no double-standard (in the ECUSA, at least) for moral behavior.

4. The vessel was filled in the Incarnation, accepted in our baptism, and affirmed in our confirmation. That's the good news. Dying to self is part of our process of learning to live into that reality.

5. I don't recall anyone asking you to do that.

[Terrywoodenpic]

Originally Posted by Angelfire

1. I have no idea what you mean by this.

2. Dont agree with you, God does not call his children to "come down"

3. The laity are not called upon to preach holiness, repentance, conforming to the image of Christ as the clergy are. I have been an Anglican for most of my life and I can assure you that Anglicans believe that Christ conquered death through his
sacrifice on the cross, and thru repentance we can share that victory.

4. Dying daily to self (gaining mastery) is what it is all about, God cannot fill an already full vessel.

5. We are called upon to love all people but we are not called upon to accept something we perceive to be wrong.


peace

I am trying to understand where you are coming from???
There is only one set of teachings in the Anglican faith...
however there are many styles of practising it; From high church Anglo Catholics to near puritan. From what you are saying it suggests to me that you are from the band of the strong charismatic or Evangelical movements, that is following the trend in beliefs seen in baptist and "Christian" churches.
These groups seem to have imported some beliefs from those churches such as being "Born again" other than by being Christened or anointed to receive the Holy Ghost as the Anglican belief.

Priests Are taught that they are like Christ... Servants... they are not exalted above the people.
Our catechism and articles call on priests and laymen to live by the same standards of belief and practice as each other.
It is necessary to be a priest to perform certain duties such as the Eucharist, however this is more to do with church law and Authority,than any any difference in nature a priest may have.

[Angelfire]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

I am trying to understand where you are coming from???
There is only one set of teachings in the Anglican faith...
however there are many styles of practising it; From high church Anglo Catholics to near puritan. From what you are saying it suggests to me that you are from the band of the strong charismatic or Evangelical movements, that is following the trend in beliefs seen in baptist and "Christian" churches.
These groups seem to have imported some beliefs from those churches such as being "Born again" other than by being Christened or anointed to receive the Holy Ghost as the Anglican belief.

Priests Are taught that they are like Christ... Servants... they are not exalted above the people.
Our catechism and articles call on priests and laymen to live by the same standards of belief and practice as each other.
It is necessary to be a priest to perform certain duties such as the Eucharist, however this is more to do with church law and Authority,than any any difference in nature a priest may have.

Bishop J.C.Ryle, one of the greatest Anglicans wrote a book called "Holiness" if you haven' t read it already then I would suggest that you do.

From the very beginning the point I was trying to make was this, Without Holiness no
one will see the Lord. heb 12:14

Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

As Christians we are called to a life of surrender and close fellowship with God. The Bible knows no other way.

Unless a man be born from above, he will not see the Kingdom of God, so says the
Christ himself, what say ye?








peace

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Angelfire

Bishop J.C.Ryle, one of the greatest Anglicans wrote a book called "Holiness" if you haven' t read it already then I would suggest that you do.

From the very beginning the point I was trying to make was this, Without Holiness no
one will see the Lord. heb 12:14

Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

As Christians we are called to a life of surrender and close fellowship with God. The Bible knows no other way.

Unless a man be born from above, he will not see the Kingdom of God, so says the
Christ himself, what say ye?








peace

Are you saying that homosexuality is inherently impure?

Do you know that holiness has nothing to do with purity and everything to do with being set apart for a specific office of ministry within the broader ministry of the Church?