World Youth Day laws

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by 3.14

... if i wanna act like a jerk its my constitutional right to do so

Even constitutional rights can be abused.

[darkendless]

Originally Posted by emiliano

You entered into a culture where you are afforded liberties, but you must respected the right of others, their liberties, if your desired to do as you want regardless of denying the right of other it will land you in troubles, you have a distorted concept of what a Democracy is. Where do you reside now? Your statistical info is extremely doubtful, do you have a source for IT?.

Please don’t ever comeback! What about the Catholic freedom of speech?
If anybody breaks the law in the way they choose to protest they’ll pay for it with heavy fines and imprisonment, those that choose to protest in an orderly civilised manner have nothing to fear, in any case Catholic will be in such majority that the police will be too busy protecting the silly bugger that will try to deny RCC right to meet with their brother.

Only a small percentage of the population is Catholic, therefore it is unfair to favour their rights above others. My problem with these laws is they will never be repeated to support any other religion but the catholics. If Islam was to hold an event here you can bet your bottom dollar no additional rights would be given to police. Its all because of the pope, 1 man. I don't know if you watch ABC at night or a show called insight on SBS, but no one seems able to defend these laws because they are excessive and negate freedom of speech. Sure i'm 12000 km away but i know whats going on. I can assure you here in Norway police wouldn't be able to arrest people for annoying pilgrims. Since i completed highschool in Queensland (Gold Coast to be specific), i'm pretty sure we're allowed to protest against the pope peaqcefully. Given these laws it appears any protests = arrests regardless of their nature.

Furthermore just to annoy you, in a few months i return to Australia to continue with my degree. Thankyou for your warm encouragement, i have to say its rather rude of you.

[emiliano]

Only a small percentage of the population is Catholic, therefore it is unfair to favour their rights above others.

You appear to have very little knowledge of Australia, as this event went on with little incidents.
Statistics.
Christianity 12,575,675 70.28%
Denominational Family Adherents % of Population
Notes Catholic 4,799,543 26.82% including all Latin-rite Catholic, Maronite, Melikite, Liberal Catholic Anglican 3,903,324 21.82 Uniting Church in Australia 1,334,917 7.46 Presbyterian/Reformed 675,534 3.78 Presbyterian, Reformed, Free Reformed Orthodox/Eastern Christian 528,345 2.95 Greek Orthodox, Macedonian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, Orthodox not further defined, Russian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic Church, Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Antiochian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Romanian Orthodox, Orthodox not elsewhere classified, Albanian Orthodox, Syrian (Jacobite) Church; Oriental Christian not further defined, Oriental Christian not elsewhere classified Baptist 295,178 1.65 includes all Baptist religious bodies and non-affiliated Baptists Lutheran 249,989 1.40 Pentecostal 144,208 0.81 Pentecostal not further defined, Assemblies of God, Pentecostal not elsewhere classified, United Pentecostal Jehovah's Witnesses 83,414 0.47 Includes all self-identified JWs, including those not officially counted as active "publishers" by the organization. Churches of Christ 74,300 0.42 Churches of Christ (Conference); Churches of Christ not further defined Salvation Army 74,145 0.41 Seventh-day Adventist 52,656 0.29 Latter Day Saints 45,113 0.25 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (42,159); Reorganised Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (1550); Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not further defined (1404) Brethren 22,063 0.12 Apostolic 13,680 0.08 Apostolic Church (so described); Apostolic Church of Queensland; Apostolic Church (Australia); New Apostolic Church.
The visit was the most interesting event this country have ever seen, it was supported by all the other Christian denomination, they provided the pilgrims with accommodation and hospitality, the pope had meeting with the leaders of other religion, the protester were so stupid, I saw a lesbian offering condoms to a 12 year old girl.

My problem with these laws is they will never be repeated to support any other religion but the catholics. If Islam was to hold an event here you can bet your bottom dollar no additional rights would be given to police.

If Muslims can organised an event that brings more than half a million pilgrims, they would be afforded the same support, we are a civilised nation, that supports religious freedom, our government do not forbids the preaching of Islam.

Its all because of the pope, 1 man. I don't know if you watch ABC at night or a show called insight on SBS, but no one seems able to defend these laws because they are excessive and negate freedom of speech. Sure i'm 12000 km away but i know whats going on.

No you don’t, they were allowed to protest, it was like a circus, the pope is the leader of 1.2 billion souls, he apologised to victims of abuse, it was so good to see our youth showing such spirituality, a good hope inspiring event.

I can assure you here in Norway police wouldn't be able to arrest people for annoying pilgrims

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Is Norway an anarchy? Do all people do as they please?

Since i completed highschool in Queensland (Gold Coast to be specific), i'm pretty sure we're allowed to protest against the pope peaqcefully. Given these laws it appears any protests = arrests regardless of their nature.

The key word here is Peacefully, any way they were allowed to protest and I am sorry but this is crap “any protests = arrests regardless of their nature” you must be kidding. It was never arrest regardless [mod edit].

[darkendless]

Originally Posted by emiliano

You appear to have very little knowledge of Australia, as this event went on with little incidents.

The visit was the most interesting event this country have ever seen, it was supported by all the other Christian denomination, they provided the pilgrims with accommodation and hospitality, the pope had meeting with the leaders of other religion, the protester were so stupid, I saw a lesbian offering condoms to a 12 year old girl.

If Muslims can organised an event that brings more than half a million pilgrims, they would be afforded the same support, we are a civilised nation, that supports religious freedom, our government do not forbids the preaching of Islam.

No you don’t, they were allowed to protest, it was like a circus, the pope is the leader of 1.2 billion souls, he apologised to victims of abuse, it was so good to see our youth showing such spirituality, a good hope inspiring event.
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Is Norway an anarchy? Do all people do as they please?

The key word here is Peacefully, any way they were allowed to protest and I am sorry but this is crap “any protests = arrests regardless of their nature” you must be kidding. It was never arrest regardless [mod edit].

They were only allowed to protest after a high court order. Whats wrong with condoms, if you don't like it don't accept it, its that simple. People should have been allowed to from the start, promoting sexual health is a good thing.
In Norway i'd like to see new laws for world youth day. Also don't tell me i don't know whats going on, i get 7 and 9 news. Their coverage was rediculous, the first time i didn't miss home, about 2/3 of the news was about WYD, which 73.18% of the population did not attend according to your figures. I think it was good for our economy, thats all. Other than that all it did was clog the news channels, roads and all other media for 5 days.
Oh and 73.18% of the population got to listen to talk of the pope, yay

The olympics were a bigger and more important event

[emiliano]

They were only allowed to protest after a high court order.

Yes they did, as I told you this is a civilised country, the decision counted with the support of the organiser. It showed us the maturity of our young people, the stupid protest did not disturbed them at all.

Whats wrong with condoms, if you don't like it don't accept it, its that simple.

Correct, but the one that I witness was a Lesbian adult (it wore a T shirt with a logo) lecturing a 12 years old girl, this creature could no understand that the little girl didn’t even have desires for sex because she was only 12, it was like watching a sell-man trying to flog a refrigerator to an Eskimo.

People should have been allowed to from the start, promoting sexual health is a good thing.

In the case that I witness teaching about abstinence would have been more appropriate, don’t you think?

In Norway i'd like to see new laws for world youth day. Also don't tell me i don't know whats going on, i get 7 and 9 news.

Then you know that it was never the case of “any protests = arrests regardless of their nature” that you published a lie. I am sure that Norway will take the measures that they deem necessary to guarantee the safety of such an important dignitary, the spiritual leader of 1.2 million souls.

Their coverage was rediculous, the first time i didn't miss home, about 2/3 of the news was about WYD, which 73.18% of the population did not attend according to your figures. I think it was good for our economy, thats all. Other than that all it did was clog the news channels, roads and all other media for 5 days.

You are not making sense, did you expected the whole population to be there? As I told you 26.82% Australian are Catholic, but all the Christian denominations pitch in to help, and with such a good media coverage many decided to watch in on the tele.

Oh and 73.18% of the population got to listen to talk of the pope, yay

The olympics were a bigger and more important event.

And 100% of the population watched the Olympic 2000?

[darkendless]

Originally Posted by emiliano

Yes they did, as I told you this is a civilised country, the decision counted with the support of the organiser. It showed us the maturity of our young people, the stupid protest did not disturbed them at all.

Correct, but the one that I witness was a Lesbian adult (it wore a T shirt with a logo) lecturing a 12 years old girl, this creature could no understand that the little girl didn’t even have desires for sex because she was only 12, it was like watching a sell-man trying to flog a refrigerator to an Eskimo.

In the case that I witness teaching about abstinence would have been more appropriate, don’t you think?


Then you know that it was never the case of “any protests = arrests regardless of their nature” that you published a lie. I am sure that Norway will take the measures that they deem necessary to guarantee the safety of such an important dignitary, the spiritual leader of 1.2 million souls.

You are not making sense, did you expected the whole population to be there? As I told you 26.82% Australian are Catholic, but all the Christian denominations pitch in to help, and with such a good media coverage many decided to watch in on the tele.


And 100% of the population watched the Olympic 2000?

Civilised country, there have been incidents in the last 5 years which make me question that, but generally yes i agree with you. It was good to see that there were next to no arrests.
Before WYD started, i remember watching nine news and it stated clearly that any attempts to ''ánnoy' pilgrims would result in arrest/fines. From that i took that anything that protests, handing out condoms, impersonating nuns and promoting homosexuality ect. would not be tolerated, hence my statements that protests would result in arrests regardless. Having seen the events unfold i realise my initial estimate was incorrect.

Abstinence is something you do not generally encounter unless you're faithful. As a lifetime atheist, never have i been encouraged not to use condoms, to exercise Abstinence until i was older or any such thing. I would only agree if it were a common form of sexual health education in Australia which last time i checked it wasn't. From my experience its more "protect from the inevitable" if you get what i mean. As in why try to stop something you cant, so lets protect as best we can. I don't think giving it out to 12 year olds is a good idea, but i found it amusing how that was the only footage of condoms being handed out for 3 days worth of coverage, it was on every channel.

My point was the majority of the population did not attend as wasn't at all interested, yet were bombarded in the news with the detailed events of the day. I've been informed that they had complete coverage for a few hours on SBS each day, i would have thought that would be sufficient, other than maybe a headline story in the nightly news. Evidently not though.

The olympics were huge, at the time i didn't come across anyone who didn't watch it at all. Im sure not everyone did though.

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by darkendless

Civilised country, there have been incidents in the last 5 years which make me question that, but generally yes i agree with you. It was good to see that there were next to no arrests.
Before WYD started, i remember watching nine news and it stated clearly that any attempts to ''ánnoy' pilgrims would result in arrest/fines. From that i took that anything that protests, handing out condoms, impersonating nuns and promoting homosexuality ect. would not be tolerated, hence my statements that protests would result in arrests regardless. Having seen the events unfold i realise my initial estimate was incorrect.
Abstinence is something you do not generally encounter unless you're faithful. As a lifetime atheist, never have i been encouraged not to use condoms, to exercise Abstinence until i was older or any such thing. I would only agree if it were a common form of sexual health education in Australia which last time i checked it wasn't. From my experience its more "protect from the inevitable" if you get what i mean. As in why try to stop something you cant, so lets protect as best we can. I don't think giving it out to 12 year olds is a good idea, but i found it amusing how that was the only footage of condoms being handed out for 3 days worth of coverage, it was on every channel.
My point was the majority of the population did not attend as wasn't at all interested, yet were bombarded in the news with the detailed events of the day. I've been informed that they had complete coverage for a few hours on SBS each day, i would have thought that would be sufficient, other than maybe a headline story in the nightly news. Evidently not though.
The olympics were huge, at the time i didn't come across anyone who didn't watch it at all. Im sure not everyone did though.

And there we have it , the media covers important news, it on business of selling news, they have a team that makes researches for them, so I find it hard to believe you. The protester were so ridiculous that did not worth the trouble of a coverage, the organizer did not request any special measures it was the Australian authorities that over reacted due to the fame that this minority interest activists have, I think that they base it on the records of the Gay and Lesbians parades of the past. The keys word of the proposal were clearly define, offensive signs, T shirts, placards , those containing foul language, physical attack on pilgrims, anti-social behaviours, the condom thing just make them look stupid and did nothing to help their campaigns, any way abstinence is the way to go, contraception and abortions remove the responsibility that the decision to have sex at an age that young people can not afford or handle is damaging, it damages their reputation and weaken the youth self control and develops vices. This is not the kind of society that the majority of Australians want.