My God, Why Have Thou Forsaken Me ? (Jesus Christ, Earth, blood)

[jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Evenstar

Oh Blood Lord..... Your making me so bored...... Swallowed in the devils flame..... sadly your posts remain the same..... If you dont play the game...... you will be banned once again..... you are sealing your own fate...... and you will not make the pearly gate.

LOL!

[XAAX]

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have thou forsaken me?" NIV

In anyone’s opinion, Why was this the last thing Jesus supposedly said?

[Scuba Pete]

The apostles had no compunction just writing the translation of what Jesus said. After all, he spoke Aramaic and not Greek. But in this case they took care to write the EXACT words in the Aramaic. One has to wonder why?

Jesus was not known as a liar or was he led to exaggerate. So we have to believe that God indeed forsook his only Son. Why?

Jesus was always ONE with God. You can read "We" quite often in the OT when God is quoted. But Jesus was the anointed sacrifice... he had to become sin.

II Corinthians 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. NIV

Since God can not tolerate sin, then God could not tolerate Jesus. At that moment in time, the perfect Father/Son relationship was severed.

But it was also the time of a great transition for all of man kind. This was the point at which GOD WON and Satan LOST. In fact this is so important that I am sure that when Satan first heard it he rejoiced. However, when he hears it now he cries out in anguish.

[XAAX]

I thought by the way you were talking that you would come with something better than this Scuba...

If Jesus was in on the deal about being the sacrifice, which he was by the bible. He even knew that he would be betrayed and knew that it was going to end up the way it did. Well, if he truly was in on the whole "sacrifice for the sins of mankind" bit, he would not have had to ask such a question. He would have known why this had happened and what the end result of this plan would be.

If this was his last statement, It makes a big argument for the basis of Christian scriptures and disproves Jesus to be what the bible claims. It shows that Christ was not in on the whole sacrifice for mankind story or else such a question would be ludicrous.

If it wasn't his last statement. Then it is one more fallacy from the bible. Making it even less accurate or believable. Kind of like painting yourself into a corner.

To make claims that something is perfect and unfaultable, with limited understanding of the universe around you, is in truth a ridiculous thing to do. As knowledge increases, your claims, based on inaccurate information will be shown to be wrong. What you do at that point is your choice. Hold on to the belief that something is still perfect although it makes no logical sense, or learn...That is the choice...

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by XAAX

I thought by the way you were talking that you would come with something better than this Scuba...

You start with an insult? Why invite me here just to belittle me? Thanks anyway.

[UnTheist]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

You start with an insult? Why invite me here just to belittle me? Thanks anyway.

You can't take cheap insults once in a while?

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by TriaD

You can't take cheap insults once in a while?

That's not what this place is about.


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[UnTheist]

Originally Posted by beckysoup61

That's not what this place is about.


Forum Rules

#4 states:

"4.) While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or inflammatory posts. We will allow faith to be debated and discussed by a member only when there is no hostile, rude, or insulting opinion of another's faith. The same applies to international conflicts; hostile, rude or insulting opinions of one of the sides to an international conflict will not be allowed. These restrictions to an open debate or discussion also apply to material linked and/or quoted from another site. Our decision is final in these matters."

I know we should act nicer to each other. I just didn't think he would get so easily offended.

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by TriaD

I know we should act nicer to each other. I just didn't think he would get so easily offended.

I have a feeling it isn't the first offense...

[PetShopBoy88]

Jesus had to die as a man. Like Adam the first man fell by sinning and brought death to the world, Jesus conquered death and sin by living perfectly and dying as a man. One condition of being a man is that we are seperated from God. For Christ to die as a man, he had to die as a man, severred from God's presence.