My God, Why Have Thou Forsaken Me ? (Jesus, moral, Earth)

[Omer]

Now im an open-minded person and i believe that the person on the cross would have said all of the above in panic, and the people could have had difficulty in following his words correctly while he wasnt in any way trying to make his words to be heard, because he was Judah who was on the cross, given the shape of Jesus so much as that even Saint Mary may have believed that it was his son, they all might have wept thinking it was Jesus Christ.

and while all these were occuring, God Allmighty had already raised Jesus to heaven, for God had accepted his prayer and didnt let his beloved prophet suffer in the hands of those people.
Because Jesus had said when he was born in front of the public: "Verily God is my Lord and your Lord, then worship Him. This is the straight way." Thats what i believe in and i think this is all logical and easy to grasp. More comments are appreciated!

[xander-]

Originally Posted by jewscout

His last words should have been, "Always look on the bright side of life.."

I love 'Life of Brian' too.. *Whistle whistle*
-Xander

[blood-lord14]

jesus was a fellow villager...why the crusifixion..i should put redemption on the soul who is called the executioner

[Solon]

He really said, and I quote: " Is OK, I'm just hanging out wit ma hommies "

[JesusIsTheWay]

I'll attempt to answer this...

Let's start with the Gospel of Matthew:

Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" And some of those who were standing there, when they heard it, began saying, "This man is calling for Elijah." Immediately one of them ran, and taking a sponge, he filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink. But the rest of them said, "Let us see whether Elijah will come to save Him." And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His Spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. (Matthew 27:45-51)

Jesus had to bear our sins, and therefore had to be temporarly separated from the Father. This is why He cried "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" He felt God turn His back on Him, because that is what had to happen. He felt abandoned. He felt emotions.

Now lets turn to the Gospel of Mark:

When the sixth hour came, darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour. At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" When some of the bystanders heard it, they began saying, "Behold, He is calling for Elijah." Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, "Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down." And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. (Mark 15:33-38)

Very simply, Jesus originally said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" in a mix of Aramaic and Hebrew. Eli is one Hebrew word for God and Eloi is a Greek word for God (from my research. I'll list sources if asked). Matthew gave the Aramaic since He was writing to Hebrews and Mark gave the Greek since He was writing to Greeks. (Once again, my understanding).

So far, Matthew and Mark are in agreement, lets see what Luke has to say...

It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour, because the sun was obscured; and the veil of the temple was torn in two. And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, into your hands I commit My Spirit." Having said this, He breathed His last. (Luke 23:44-46)

Here, we find out what Jesus cried out. And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, into your hands I commit My Spirit." So far, so good.

Now in the Gospel of John...

After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, "I am thirsty." A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth. Therefore when Jesus had recieved the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit. (John 19:28-30)

Okay, from the appearance of things, Luke and John seem to condrict one another. Let's find out if they do or don't. In the Greek Luke's phrase "Father, into your hands I commit My Spirit" could be literaly translated as, "Father, I give you charge (or commit) of my spirit." Which means that Jesus gave God full charge of His spirit. This does not mean He did not do that before, it was simply a "rededication," if you will, to the Father's will for Him. Then he "breathed out, expired, died." (breathed His last). John's phrase "And He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit" is similar. Gave up His spirit literally means "Gives His spirit up voluntarily," so he gave, committed, His spirt to God. In other words, the words Luke recorded would be be what He said in place of John's "And He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit." So where would "It is finished!" be? If you look carefully you'll see that Jesus said this right after He received the wine, Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, "Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down." And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. / Therefore when Jesus had recieved the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" The Gospels don't always record the exact same things. What I mean by that is each Gospel usually gives us a little bit more detail about a single event. So, to say they condrict each other in this place is untrue. It all comes out with some study and searching the Scriptures. I'll give a full account of what happened from each of the four Gospel writers accounts...

When the sixth hour came, darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour. At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" When some of the bystanders heard it, they began saying, "Behold, He is calling for Elijah."After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, "I am thirsty." A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth saying, "Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down." Therefore when Jesus had recieved the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, into your hands I commit My Spirit." And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.

I hope this was some help.

- David -

[jeffrey]

Seeing that John was the only one that was there, I tend to believe his words more the the others. They, as the post above me states, all convey the same thought, but like I stated, as far as the actual words, I mean towards John.

[Nehustan]

...one last glass of wine and a bread roll before you close bartender....actually make that a carafe and a loaf, I'm with friends.

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by DrM

Matthew 27:46, "'ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHITHANI?' that is, `MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?'" In verse 50 we are told that Jesus cried out again and died. We are not told what was said or if it was merely a cry of pain.

Mark 15:34, "'ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHANI?' which is translated, `My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?'" In verse 37 we are told the same thing as above in verse 50.

Luke 23: 46, "And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, `FATHER, INTO THY HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.' And having said this, He breathed His last."

John 19: 30, "When Jesus therefore had received sour wine, He said, `It is finished!' And He bowed His head, and gave up His spirit.

i associate more with luke's version - in manus tuas commendo spiritum meum

simple answer, we have no way of knowing, but i think jesus recognised the significance of what he was doing, he recognised that God was with him, from the traitors kiss to the sword - he knew god had not forsaken him, and so to me, his last words would have resembled something like luke recorded - but thats just my oppinion not that it counts for much

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by jewscout

His last words should have been, "Always look on the bright side of life.."

hahahaha, do you know nothing, it was "what if God was one of us"

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Mike182

hahahaha, do you know nothing, it was "what if God was one of us"

Just a slob like one of us.....

S