iran president says Israel's days are numbered (attend, sex, Jewish)

[robtex]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday told delegates at an international conference questioning the Holocaust that days were numbered.

yahoo news reports:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/...n_holocaust_dc

[jewscout]

what drives me bonkers is that jews actually went to this thing and support this nut-job.

they should take a look at "Esther" if they still expect to be magically beamed to Eretz Yisrael.

[robtex]

Originally Posted by jewscout

what drives me bonkers is that jews actually went to this thing and support this nut-job.

they should take a look at "Esther" if they still expect to be magically beamed to Eretz Yisrael.

two observations:

1) the Jewish people need to go to these things so the peripheral partipants can see the Jews as humans instead of dogs like the president of Iran protrays them. In any given group of any policial agenda there are those at the top that are highly committed those in the middle somewhat commit and those in the hind sections marginally committed. By being at those conferances and interacting with muslims in a postitive way, the marginal and middle ground members conviction is compromised. Think of it as a negociation. I am not saying force isnt' an option but more that these Jews may stir up some healthy skeptism

2) You ever notice that people who are adamant about deny the holocaust seem to so many times (as in this article for example) open advocate genocide of the Jews?

[jewscout]

but they are not there to help humanize the jew...
they are there for the ultimate goal of the conference

to delegitimize the State of Israel in hope of it's eventual destruction

[robtex]

Originally Posted by jewscout

but they are not there to help humanize the jew...
they are there for the ultimate goal of the conference

yikes!!

Originally Posted by jewscout

to delegitimize the State of Israel in hope of it's eventual destruction

My understanding is that with a subsidary hidden agenda of genocide as a more "practical solution" than re-relocation.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by robtex

yikes!!



My understanding is that with a subsidary hidden agenda of genocide as a more "practical solution" than re-relocation.

it will take genocide for the Arab leadership to get rid of Israel

but that's not news and has been attempted several times already.

[YmirGF]

I think as Huff points out, this was all pretty simple stuff to predict. I wonder if Germany and other death camp countries will allow these "fact-finders" to poke around their archives? I love it when the Iranian Prezzy requests that attendees to the conference not be prosecuted for speaking at the conference by their home countries. Curiously, you can be prosecuted while abroad for having sex with children but you shouldn't prosecute those who support genocide while abroad. I wonder how that logic is supposed to work?

It is interesting that on the same Yahoo page was a link to Iran defaulting on payments to a Russian company building nuclear facilities in Iran. Fascinating read, that one is. For what it is worth, check the pretty link.

[robtex]

Originally Posted by jewscout

it will take genocide for the Arab leadership to get rid of Israel

Huff that is word choice that has a negative impact on the middle ground and marginal arab community.

If I can be a tad philosophical here for a second I think every political movement has three componets to it. ---real quick Linwood (Steven) really sold me on this years back.

1) the organizational heads or leaders. Those the most emotioally and physically committed to the goal

2) middle ground: Those somewhat liking the idea of finding merit in it but not as emotionally and physically committed to it.

3) marginal community = those along for the ride but closer to apathic to the idea than for the idea.

The tool of negociation is useless for # 1 unless the proponets of the idea belong to section # 1 are both academic in mindset, and be not have a hidden agenda. In the case of our senerio neither is true.

# 2 and # 3 though if they exist, are open to negociation on the ideas but are so open that all information and word choice has the ability to sway them up or down on the number chart. Ability does not equal propensity in this idea.

For instance take nazi germany . Do you really feel that the majority of germans wanted the Jews dead or that a number of key players did and that they used their skillsets to sway 2's and 3's?

If you feel that there were 2's and 3's than before ww2 started there may have been negociation time to re-adjust the war effort on a political plane.

To apply this to Israel today. Iran makes a statement promoting the dissolving of Israel and implying a future genocide of the Jews as productive to arab interets. The people who hear this idea and agree both internally and neigboring countries will either be very supportive of the idea, somewhat in agreeance but willing to "bite" on the idea or along for the ride.

The word choice used politically in reaction is important in defining those numbers or quanitfying the numbers. Rather than saying,

Originally Posted by jewscout

it will take genocide for the Arab leadership to get rid of Israel

The same idea can be positioned as the Jews want to live in greater harmony with their neigbors but with a land they can call their own. Or something like that.

Now some will hear these less violent messages over and over and draw conclusions that are the same as before or modified based on feedback. Your qouted feedback while accurate, has the propensity for a negative impact on # 's 2 and 3.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Robtex

For instance take nazi germany . Do you really feel that the majority of germans wanted the Jews dead or that a number of key players did and that they used their skillsets to sway 2's and 3's?

no i don't think that the majority of germans wanted to see something like the Holocaust happen
HOWEVER
the Nazis played up on already pre-existing antisemitic hatred and bias, spurred along by an ingenious propaganda machine, so that when the jews were deported the majority of people fell into 2 groups, either they were happy to see the jews go and "get what they deserved" or they were apathetic to the whole thing. They may not have wanted to see millions of jews killed, but they also weren't that concerned when whole sections of their towns and cities, once populated by jews, were liquidated.

Now i don't believe the average muslim-arab wants to see 6 million more jews slaughtered, however, with antisemitic materials being fed to a mass population, and political leaders pushing the agenda that the Zionist regime is the source of the world's problems...if Israel were to disappear tomorrow and the jews living there along with it...i really and truely question if the average arab-muslim is going to concern themselves with it if they are being told it's for the best...

the average german didn't...not until the Allied forces made them go into the camps and bury the bodies themselves...

whether they are arabs, germans, americans or martians...

A person is smart and reasonable...PEOPLE are stupid and panicy.