Death penalty sought in baby's microwave death (LDS, Christian, Christ)

[darkpenguin]

Originally Posted by comprehend

Where do you get the idea that a society cannot decide how best to deal with it's criminals?

i think that in general societies would choose life in prison over the death penalty, it would be a minority that would choose the death penalty!

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Let him who is without sin throw the switch.

Personally, I abhor ALL violence, including the death penalty. It costs us way more and does not act as a deterrent. Plus post humous pardons really, really suck. However, I especially abhor the way this child died, and if she is proven guilty then sterilization and life in prison would be the ticket.

one could just as easily say "let him who is without sin lock her up" If you want to use that line of reasoning. you are just drawing the line where you like it.

Locking somebody up is violence. Sterilization is violence.

I have heard a lot of people say that it costs more and it isn't a deterrant. I would be interested to see a quote from a reputable source showing that it costs more, and there is no way to tell if it is a deterrent until the death penalty is given to everyone convicted of murder and done so quickly. Most criminals know that they can avoid the death penalty almost 99% of the time and even if they are convicted, they will likely die of old age before they are put to death (except texas where they may only live another 20-30 years) and most of these thugs don't think they will live to see 35 anyway so it isn't a punishment at all. You really aren't paying attention to the details of the issue if you make such a simplistic argument.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by darkpenguin

in answer to your first comment, from a logical point of view we have no idea what happens after death so sending them into the unknown before there time is just not on.

and yes i do see being locked up for life as being a fair and just punishment for this crime! Killing them is not only inhumane it's also giving them an easy way out!

understood. but It is up to each society to decide. Not an individual such as you or me.

I didn't ask if you thought that being locked up is fair. I asked if you thought it was any less of a punishment than death. I don't think it is.

why is it inhumane? because you said so?

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by darkpenguin

thank you, sense at last

that is called "tainting the well", great example of an argumentative fallacy.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by darkpenguin

i think that in general societies would choose life in prison over the death penalty, it would be a minority that would choose the death penalty!

and?

those societies who want the death penalty can have it and those who don't don't. Why are you trying to force your morality on my country? the UK can lock its murderers up and we will kill ours. Like I said, it is up to each society to decide.

EDIT: oh yeah. and I am still waiting to hear why you think it is ok to kill innocent babies and not guilty criminals....

[darkpenguin]

Originally Posted by comprehend

understood. but It is up to each society to decide. Not an individual such as you or me.

I didn't ask if you thought that being locked up is fair. I asked if you thought it was any less of a punishment than death. I don't think it is.

why is it inhumane? because you said so?

It's more of a punishment from my point of view, and it's inhumane because it's another persons life/soul that is being destroyed and who has the right to decide thats right? Nobody!

In todays civilised society the death penalty is no longer needed nor has it ever been.

All i can say is i feel really sorry for those who damned people to the chair/injection when karma comes round and bites a huge chunk out of them! I love karma

[darkpenguin]

Originally Posted by comprehend

and?

those societies who want the death penalty can have it and those who don't don't. Why are you trying to force your morality on my country? the UK can lock its murderers up and we will kill ours. Like I said, it is up to each society to decide.

EDIT: oh yeah. and I am still waiting to hear why you think it is ok to kill innocent babies and not guilty criminals....

Well it's more upto bush to decide and we all know how much he values human life *iraq cough cough*

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by comprehend

Locking somebody up is violence.

Only under Shrub's administration and IF they reside in Gitmo.

Originally Posted by comprehend

Sterilization is violence.

How so? Where is the ending of a life? How is locking some one up considered violence? You are giving them a "time out" and not a spanking. Now, I have to admit that sterilization is WAY over the top, and easily abused: I would not think that this is possible under our current laws. However, it would be kharmic.

[darkpenguin]

Originally Posted by comprehend

that is called "tainting the well", great example of an argumentative fallacy.

well i guess you havn't been around long enough to know that he doesn't beat around the bush and says things how they are, the man talks alot of sense, not that i agree with everything he says but he talks alot of sense, moreso than someone who still believes this 'eye for an eye' nonsense!