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Old 08-23-2006, 02:14 PM
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Mormons get around it by having their high-school aged kids meet at 6:00am off school grounds. Works much better that way
I wouldn't argue that this really IS the common sense approach.

Although, I commend the students for standing up for themselves, I think personally, I'd be more apt to join a religious club that meets off of school grounds.
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Old 08-23-2006, 02:50 PM
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Maybe public school "clubs" should be eliminated entirely.
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Some of them actually have a reasonable purpose. Beta club around here encourages a sense of community involvement.
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Old 08-23-2006, 02:53 PM
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If you can descriminate against a person for "not accepting" homosexuality, then you should be able to descriminate against someone for their religious proclivity. This is nothing more than a naked attempt to deny these kids the same rights and priviledges offered to other students, ONLY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN CHRISTIANITY.
Allow all clubs, or allow none, including athletic clubs.
There's a thing with separation of church and state that comes into play with *any* religious club, that doesn't come into play with athletic clubs, so the comparison doesn't work so well.
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Old 08-23-2006, 02:55 PM
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Allow ALL clubs? Really?
You mean like the nekkid Hot Tub club?
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Old 08-23-2006, 03:04 PM
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If you're not Christian and/or don't view the Bible in the same way...it's not a club for you...end of story.
I took a Bible class in HS, though I was not an atheist.

Was it "not the class for me"?

The truth is, any Christian club that was formed would pretty much consist of Christians, and perhaps a few that were just interested in the subject.

There's no reason to limit membership, whether they get funds or not.

We had any number of religious groups in college. Membership was open. We had Catholic, general Christian, Lutheran, Jewish and Baha'i clubs. Anyone could go to anything, and no one had a problem, ever.

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I didn't take Spanish in high school...so joining the Spanish club was the last thing on my mind. I sucked at sports and genuinely didn't like the politics behind certain clubs...so what did I do? I DIDN'T JOIN. I didn't raise hell about the above said clubs or organizations because I didn't qualify.
Sports are not clubs, they are extracurricular activities. If you can't play an instrument, you should probably not take part in the Jazz Band either.

Clubs are a different animal. If you'd wanted to join the Spanish club just to eat the "flan" they had for a snack, would they have refused you?

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These kids are being discriminated against BECAUSE of their religious beliefs. The club organizers are being discriminated against NOT the rest of the student body.
It appears that they are the ones doing the discriminating, and they expect taxpayer dollars to support that discrimination. Am I reading the article wrong?

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If it was ANY other club or organization within the school...sports, language clubs, band...anything else that required you have an INTEREST or a talent in order to join...nothing would be said...no lines would be drawn. If it was football or cheerleading or the drama club or whatever and you were asked to say a pledge or sign a piece of paper...it wouldn't be questioned or scrutinized. The school would fund what it could and assist kids in fundraising the rest.
Please give examples of where school clubs have made anyone sign a paper agreeing to certain beliefs. I haven't heard of that one yet, but maybe someone has done such a thing.

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Of course, it's the Christian club that's intolerant of the beliefs of others, as always, right?
If they want to limit membership according to religious beliefs, but no one else does, then yes.

I could've joined the Jewish club at college if I'd wanted to. I did attend several meetings. I was welcomed. No one had to agree to any belief system before being let in the door.

And put that in a public school, where separation of church and state comes into play, and that becomes a real problem.

Tell me, Dawny, do you suppose no one would mind seeing their public school taxpayer money fund a Wiccan-only club?

Around here, it would be a bleedin' miracle if they even let anyone have a Wiccan club, with or without funding.

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There's a thing with separation of church and state that comes into play with *any* religious club, that doesn't come into play with athletic clubs, so the comparison doesn't work so well.
This goes BEYOND the separation of Church and state and well into the abolition of the Church by the state. Either EVERYONE has the same opportunities or no one does. That is fair.
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This goes BEYOND the separation of Church and state and well into the abolition of the Church by the state. Either EVERYONE has the same opportunities or no one does. That is fair.
But the club itself is essentially unfair. It restricts it's membership to a select few, and then demands that everyone's student funds be used to pay for it.
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This goes BEYOND the separation of Church and state and well into the abolition of the Church by the state. Either EVERYONE has the same opportunities or no one does. That is fair.
Now I think you're just blowing this WAY out of proportion.
The club chose not to follow the rules, so they don't get funding from the school. They can still meet and do as they please as long as they supply everything except space. This is the great example of the government's big bad conspiracy to abolish Christianity?

Here's your tinfoil hat, dude.
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Personally, I don't think they should be allowed to hold meetings for such a club on school grounds either, but that's just me, and I don't know if that is an issue in this particular case.
There is precedent for this, fwiw, and I would also agree.
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