Mother gets 40 years for child abuse (Jesus Christ, moral, punishment, service)

[Bishka]

And good riddance to her and her husband.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/30/fa....ap/index.html

From the article:

Prosecutors say Paul Kraft encountered an undercover Secret Service agent last March in an Internet chat room called "baby and pre-teen sex."
In an online exchange, Kraft offered to rape his 3-year-old daughter live on the Internet if another person would do the same so Kraft could watch, prosecutors say. The agent contacted Hamilton County sheriff's deputies, who arrested Kraft at home.


In March, Paul Kraft received five life sentences on five rape charges and 96 additional years on 12 charges of pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor. He is ineligible for parole.

Rape his 3-year old daughter? Things like this make me shake with rage and then shake with sadness for the children.

[evearael]

40 years is not remotely enough.

[Seyorni]

Originally Posted by evearael

40 years is not remotely enough.

Not remotely enough for what?

I understand the public outrage at the proposed act, but what, exactly, do you believe this sentence is supposed to accomplish, and how long a sentence would it take to achieve this goal?

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Not remotely enough for what?

I understand the public outrage at the proposed act, but what, exactly, do you believe this sentence is supposed to accomplish, and how long a sentence would it take to achieve this goal?

Nothing would be long enough for this woman or her disgusting husband.

[Ciscokid]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Not remotely enough for what?

I understand the public outrage at the proposed act, but what, exactly, do you believe this sentence is supposed to accomplish, and how long a sentence would it take to achieve this goal?

She should be put to death. I do believe there comes a time when you've lost your right to life.

[ladyhawke]

Originally Posted by Ciscokid

She should be put to death. I do believe there comes a time when you've lost your right to life.

They both should be...they are equally responsible for the acts commited,this kind of thing is beyond animalistic,how can a mother allow, never mind be involved in letting her children be so harmed,its beyond my comprehention.

[Seyorni]

Are we proposing draconian penalties in an effort to assuage our own ire at an odious act, or are people proposing penalties they believe will correct a moral defect?

What I'm questioning is the function of punishment. I've noticed that the severity of penalties often seems more keyed to the perceived outrageousness of the act rather than the actual social disruption it produces. It also strikes me that there often seems little attempt to correct the defect that allowed the illegal behavior in the first place. People often emerge from prison as bad or worse than when they went in.

I get the impression that "justice" seems to mean different things to different people.

[evearael]

the actual social disruption it produces

I would be interested to know what heirarchy you attach to different crimes based on "the actual social disruption." Correct me if I am wrong, but I get the impression that you would prefer to focus more on prevention and rehabilitation. What would you suggest to protect small children, and everyone else for that matter, from sexual assault, molestation and rape?

[michel]

Originally Posted by evearael

I would be interested to know what heirarchy you attach to different crimes based on "the actual social disruption." Correct me if I am wrong, but I get the impression that you would prefer to focus more on prevention and rehabilitation. What would you suggest to protect small children, and everyone else for that matter, from sexual assault, molestation and rape?

I wonder, if he was here, how do you think Jesus Christ would deal with them ?

I agree with Seyorni....even though I find it all repugnant. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't brutality. These people are sick; would you punish the sick for being sick?

And yes, I would still say that if it was someone I knew.............

I think my signature says it all.

[Rejected]

They both need a bullet in the head and an unmarked grave.

Once it had been demonstrated that you are so far beyond the bounds of moral decency and that the actions you have committed or are willing to commit are destructive to society then you should be removed from society.

Some actions have a possibility for reform; addiction, theft, Unintentional death (manslaughter) and so on. But people who have so blatantly exhibited that they would cause so perverse and irreparable harm to a young child has forfeited their rights to coexist in normal society, and thus should be removed.

This is not a punishment but a safeguard from these things happening again by the same person and an example for others who would commit the same crimes.

I think it would be wise to perform an extensive psychiatric evaluation on the offenders to determine if they are cognizant of their actions and the affect those actions have on the victims.

If it is determined that they are suffering from some kind of treatable ailment, then by all means, give them the tools for recovery. But if they show that they chose to willfully harm a child in that manner, and would do so again for the entertainment of others, it proves that they are aware of their actions and without remorse, and so need to be eliminated.