It's war Says Israel. (moral, hell, suicide, Jerusalem, moral)

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by RearingArabian

Mmhm. I agree.

Well, they started bombing around 3:30 AM. Didn't sleep much at night, was more interested in listening to the jets and anti-aircraft fire. But since Hizbullah has outdated anti-aircraft weapons, the Israeli pilots need not worry: just stay high enough, and then you can watch the nice red lights shooting up at you.

They managed to fix a runway, and five airplanes took off (no passengers, I believe) around 11 AM. Then, Israel obviously got mad, and bombed the runway again. They used gunboats, and probably planes.

Far as I know, the fuel tank by the airport is still on fire.

Oh yeah, the Israelis bombed the suburbs in the early morning, hit a power station somewhere there, bombed the old road to the airport (bridge, rather), and... what was it... oh yeah, bombed the Beirut-Damascus road. So, having imposed an air and sea blockade, and having bombed the road to Syria, most Lebanese are trapped. I think there is a way through the mountains and stuff....

Hope the UN manages to do something. And oh, for those who wonder why Hizbullah hasn't been disarmed: you think it's a piece of cake? They make up stupid excuses and their members in Parliament obviously want to steer clear of the topic. And... yeah.


Fell asleep around 7 AM or something.... I woke up at times, but I fully woke up around 10 to 3. I'm not in the mood for anything today....

Has Lebanon tried to control Hizbullah? Its military obviously cannot fight Israel, but can it fight Hizbullah, who fire into Israel from within the borders of Lebanon?

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by RearingArabian

Yeah. Go ahead, destroy an airport, impose blockades on our ports, kill innocent civilians. Far as I know, only one Israeli civilian was killed. I'm convinced Hizbullah is firing randomly into Israel. But Israel is targeting houses, roads, bridges, airbases... the bombed a power station, telephone service....

That's called strategy. The Israelis are trying to making sure that Hezbollah cannot get more resources. This isn't crazy or odd or anything like that...it's just smart strategy. Every military should try to use the smartest strategy they can come up with. I don't get why people can't understand this???

Originally Posted by RearingArabian

And oh, for those who wonder why Hizbullah hasn't been disarmed: you think it's a piece of cake? They make up stupid excuses and their members in Parliament obviously want to steer clear of the topic. And... yeah.

Well, obviously the problem is that you have Hezbollah members in parliament. Why has this been allowed to happen and why is it being allowed to continue? I can't wrap my brain around that. If it's harmful to the country, why let it continue? You say it's not that easy, but it is really that simple. I'm honestly not trying to offend you. It's just that the Lebanese government does have to take responsibility for these kinds of things.

I really am sorry you have to go through all of this though and I hope everything will be okay.

[BUDDY]

Bad situation. My prayer is for a quick resolution to this, and for the protection of civilians caught in the middle.

Can't blame Israel for being upset. Since they moved out of Gaza, Israel has been attacked non-stop by hezbollah by rockets. The latest is the Iranian Revolutionary Gueard lauched a missile (not a rocket) from southern Lebanon into Israel. While Lebanon can clame that the attacks are not from them, I think that they have a responsility to control what goes on within their borders, and to curtail terrorist attacks from their nation into Israel. When that is not done, and terrorists use Lebanon as a platform for activity in Israel, then retaliation should be expected.

The reason that the airports and roads have been damaged my the Israeli airforce, is in case this does turn into a broader conflict with Syria and or Iran. While Lebanon does not have the capability to deliver troops by air, these two countries certainly do and Israel must look to protect itself in case Syria and Iran join the fray.

[Radio Frequency X]

Originally Posted by Ðanisty

That's called strategy. The Israelis are trying to making sure that Hezbollah cannot get more resources. This isn't crazy or odd or anything like that...it's just smart strategy. Every military should try to use the smartest strategy they can come up with. I don't get why people can't understand this???

People understand it, but the global community is currently split between support for freedom and sympathy for terrorists. What I think confuses people, is that those who are sympathetic to the cause of terrorists are not at all against freedom and peace. They see the terrorists as being "the little guy" oppressed by evil governments who have been exploiting the resources of the Middle East for years. Add in French and British colonialism, and it really pulls at their heartstrings. So there is really nothing you can tell them about Israel defending itself that they are going to listen to. American and Israel are the enemy of "the little guy" and that's that.

It has taken me a while to understand how anyone could take sides against America or Israel, but it is important to understand that these people aren't insane and they aren't against freedom. They are simply against all forms of inequality in the world. Marx and the communist agenda have had its influence on Islam, Socialism, and Liberalism across the world. Some people are OK with inequality and view it as the natural state of things. Others are against it entirely. It's simply two different ways of looking at the world. And war is the natural, if not inevitable, result.

[Paw]

Well, obviously the problem is that you have Hezbollah members in parliament. Why has this been allowed to happen and why is it being allowed to continue?

Hezbollah, however, won the biggest number of representatives in its history during the national parliamentary elections of May 2005 and was asked to join the government in July 2005 in the name of national unity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbullah

We're trying to get them involved in politics. We're trying to unite the country and be able to agree on something. We're trying to get them to disarm, but it's not as if we command and they obey. It's not as if we're going to do what Israel's doing now. Need I say that Hizbullah can just as easily use its weapons against Lebanese soldiers as it can against Israel? And then we'd have a civil war on our hands.

That's called strategy. The Israelis are trying to making sure that Hezbollah cannot get more resources. This isn't crazy or odd or anything like that...it's just smart strategy. Every military should try to use the smartest strategy they can come up with. I don't get why people can't understand this???

....
So basically, you are saying Israel can make Lebanon a living hell if it helps block resources from reaching Hizbullah? Lovely. So, blowing up around ten bridges, hitting power stations, hitting telephone services, hitting fuel tanks, hitting houses, hitting airports... it's all fine. Who cares about the civilians stuck in the middle?


Why doesn't anyone look at the big picture? Hizbullah captures two soldiers ( I condemn that, by the way) and says they'll exchange them for Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails. Despite what Israel wants you to think, the vast majority have not been tried or convicted, but Israel's convinced they're all 'terrorists'. My my my, how Israel loves that word. If such prisoners were released, why would Hizbullah need to capture anyone? But no, those prisoners won't be released. So, the war continues.

Some information on Palestinian prisoners (also applies to Lebanese ones): The Fate of the Imprisoned: Conditions in Israeli Jails and Detention Centers

I have seen a former Israeli jail in Lebanon, called Khiam. Not nice. The description provided by the link above also applies to Khiam.

[kai]

Originally Posted by Radio Frequency X

People understand it, but the global community is currently split between support for freedom and sympathy for terrorists. What I think confuses people, is that those who are sympathetic to the cause of terrorists are not at all against freedom and peace. They see the terrorists as being "the little guy" oppressed by evil governments who have been exploiting the resources of the Middle East for years. Add in French and British colonialism, and it really pulls at their heartstrings. So there is really nothing you can tell them about Israel defending itself that they are going to listen to. American and Israel are the enemy of "the little guy" and that's that.

It has taken me a while to understand how anyone could take sides against America or Israel, but it is important to understand that these people aren't insane and they aren't against freedom. They are simply against all forms of inequality in the world. Marx and the communist agenda have had its influence on Islam, Socialism, and Liberalism across the world. Some people are OK with inequality and view it as the natural state of things. Others are against it entirely. It's simply two different ways of looking at the world. And war is the natural, if not inevitable, result.

we are not dealing with french and british colonialism here, we are not defending the little guy here, its not about inequality here either, you like others are not even seeing whats going on here, Organisations like hezbollah,Hamas,Al quieda ,Islamic jehad, are striving not for equality, freedom, or any other noble cause that you can relate to in modern history, these people are in pusuit of a global Islamic state under sharia law
its time to stop apolagising for being western, American, British, or whatever its time to stop looking for root causes of terror, terror is the weapon of chioce ,as well as the propaganda machine spouting the great satan poison that most grass roots muslim beleive now, you can make as many excuses for these people as you like buts its a whole new ball game now and its about time all nations in the world woke up and smelled the coffee, its a fight against Islamic fascism
http://muhammadanism.org/Terrorism/Terrorist_Mind.htm