Teaching Iranian Children the Glory of Killing Jews (minority, grace)

[Feathers in Hair]

Originally Posted by Faith_is_an_assurance

This is the basis for the final war, Armageddon. Kill all Jews. It is all in the Book of Revelation, in the Bible.

Please tell us you were repeating what you believe the bible says and not giving instructions. (Do we have a 'shivering' smilie?)

[michel]

Originally Posted by Darkdale

The real issue here is that Iran is far more overt in their desire to wipe out the Jews than Hitler was. But the entire Middle East, not just Iran, is hell-bent on the elimination of Israel and the total, universal spread of Islam and Islamic law. This is becoming more and more serious as time goes on. Iran, which has a significant moderate minority, is becoming the bastion of everything wrong and dangerous in the Middle East. The biggest problem with Iran is that we do not want to turn that large minority of moderates, who want Western education, liberties and values (such as equal rights and "blind justice") against the West. The US and UK governments view this Iranian minority as the future of the Middle East. They are going to be the generation that modernizes the Arab world and brings the Middle East and Western world together. So we can't just have an all out invasion. We've got to try to find another way.

So what would be your suggested solution ? - I agree with your 'take on this'

Originally Posted by jamaesi

He was Christian.

Sorry Jamaesi -

Adolf Hitler privately to Heinrich Himmler, October 14, 1941:
"It may be asked whether concluding a concordat with the churches wouldn't facilitate our exercise of power.
"First, in this way the authority of the state would be vitiated by the fact of the intervention of a third power concerning which it is impossible to say how long it would remain reliable. In the case of the Anglican Church, this objection does not arise, for England knows she can depend upon her church. But what about the Catholic Church? Wouldn't we be running the risk of her one day going into reverse after having put herself at the service of the state solely in order to safeguard her power? If one day the state's policy ceased to suit Rome or the clergy, the priests would turn against the state, as they are doing now. History provides examples that should make us careful.
"Secondly there is also a question of principle. Trying to take a long- range view of things, is it conceivable that one could found anything durable based on falsehood? When I think of our people's future, I must look beyond immediate advantages, even if these advantages were to last 300-500 years or more. I'm convinced that any pact with the church can offer only a provisional benefit, for sooner or later the scientific spirit will disclose the harmful character of such a compromise. Thus the state will have based its existence on a foundation that one day will collapse.
"An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of nature, and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as he perceives that the state, in sheer opportunism, is making use of false ideas in the matter of religion, whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure science.
"Being weighed down by a superstitious past, men are afraid of things that can't, or can't yet be explained - that is to say, of the unknown. If anyone has needs of a metaphysical nature, I can't satisfy them with the party's program. Time will pass until the moment when science can answer all the questions.
"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advance of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there's no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds - perhaps inhabited worlds like ours - then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.
"But one must continue to pay attention to another aspect of the problem. It's possible to satisfy the needs of the inner life by an intimate communion with nature., or by knowledge of the past. Only a minority, however, at the present stage of the mind's development, can feel the respect inspired by the unknown and thus satisfy the metaphysical needs of the soul. The average human being has the same needs, but can satisfy them only by elementary means. That's particularly true of women, as also of peasants who impotently watch the destruction of their crops. The person whose life tends to simplification is thirsty for belief, and he dimly clings to it with all his strength.
"Nobody has the right to deprive simple people of their childish certainties until they've acquired others that are more reasonable. Indeed it's most important that the higher belief should be well established in them before the lower belief has been removed. We must finally achieve this. But it would serve no purpose to replace an old belief by a new one that would merely fill the place left vacant by its predecessor.
"It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to reestablish the worship of Odin. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that point the ancient world was divided between the systems of philosophy and the worship of idols. It's not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified - and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/4885/hitler.html
"If in the course of 1-2,000 years science arrives at the necessity of renewing its points of view, that will not mean that science is a liar. Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity which is the liar; it's in perpetual conflict with itself.
"One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of a belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretize the feeling they have of supernatural realities. Why should we destroy this wonderful power they have of incarnating the feeling for the divine that is within them?"
- Adolf Hitler, in _Bormann-Vermerke_ (transcribed by Martin Bormann), reprinted as _Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944_ (H.R. Trevor-Roper, Trans.), New York: Farrar, Straus & Young, 1953, pages #48-51.
Hitler recognized that the Church, and Christianity as a whole, was not an immediate threat to his plans. He believed in his German Aryan God, which was supposedly the thought path that began his Aryan supremacy goals. Most Pagan Gods or Goddesses are not blonde haired and blue eyed (many aren't even portrayed as a material entity at all).
Hitler was neither Pagan nor Christian. He did, however, attempt to "preach" Pagan ideas, hoping to attract Pagans to his side and believing they would be more receptive to his slaughters. He was wrong, and Pagans of the time were just as repulsed as the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by Robtex

Faith_is_an_assurance Is that your pathway to eternal bliss? Killing of all the Jews?

Unfortunately that has been the rallying call of many.

This is the basis for the final war, Armageddon. Kill all Jews. It is all in the Book of Revelation, in the Bible.

Please confirm that is not what you hope will happen, Feathers has asked you ?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by robtex

Wow. That article was a reality check. Good find DD.

Faith_is_an_assurance Is that your pathway to eternal bliss? Killing of all the Jews?

The brand of Christianity that hankers for Armageddon does not want the Jews to DIE. They just want that war begun so "Christ" can return. This outlook DOES funnel money and support to Israel as best they can, but Israel would just as soon not have it.

Back when the Shah fell, and the Baha`i's were legally denied the right to publicly administer or practice their religion, ten women were arrested for teaching Baha`i children about the Baha`i Faith. They were all hung for the "crime". The youngest was Mona arrested just after her 16th birthday, and executed when she was 17.
http://bahaiworld.com/content/video...l_of_shiraz.wmv This is a music video that plays about 4 minutes, 47 + megabytes to download.

[AtheistAJ]

If Islam hates Judaism so much, Allah should instead offer that everyone who blows themselves up to end an Israeli's life should get to have to blow themselves and others up in heaven forever repeatedly. And see if that sounds any less appealing than 74 virgins or whatever.

The brand of Christianity that hankers for Armageddon does not want the Jews to DIE. They just want that war begun so "Christ" can return.

I don't get it, isn't Jesus' purpose supposed to be spreading peace and love? Sounds like hypocrisy from where I'm sitting. Either that or they got the idea of Jesus wrong. And what's keeping Jesus from coming right now to my house?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by AtheistAJ

I don't get it, isn't Jesus' purpose supposed to be spreading peace and love? Sounds like hypocrisy from where I'm sitting. Either that or they got the idea of Jesus wrong. And what's keeping Jesus from coming right now to my house?

Well that is the purpose, of course. But SOME who say they believe just can't avoid using their ticket to heaven as a club against those whom they feel do not posssess a ticket.
Why? Sometimes small minds want to be important so they inflate themselves.

Regards,
Scott

[almifkhar]

let me start with i don't condone any kind of so called religious wars.

second, muslims don't dislike jews, they dislike zionism.

the guardian to me is fair news, but according to the tharhan news, they flat out said zionism is their problem, now what they are teaching their children with all this hatred is sick and needs to be stopped.

now i think this lets blame religion, and lets rally behind our religous leaders is the biggest problem here. all sides have an agenda and these agendas are not in the best intrest of all people, not even their own peoples. the iranians, israelis, americans, etc. are using their religion to justify their evil conquests and this is what needs to be remembered and stopped.

i would have more respect for all sides if they would just be honest with us all. if they want conquest and oil and whatever else is on the agenda, than they should just say so. nothing like propaganda to rally the people to fight ha.

[Ardent Listener]

[quote=almifkhar]let me start with i don't condone any kind of so called religious wars.

second, muslims don't dislike jews, they dislike zionism.

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Almifkhar,

How do you define zionism?

[almifkhar]

ardent
zionism, the political movement that torrah orthodox jews are against