Religion and works

[Mr Cheese]

Originally Posted by SugaCubez352

True dat. Good point.

My conversation with Mr. Cheese is over unless he can intelligently state in his own words what Buddhism is and what the four noble truths are.

You're alright Yosef

the four noble truths are irrelivant..as Buddha taught that we can do what we like and shove unfried shrimp into our nostrils....

I fail to see what the four noble truths have to do with a kettle of fish as a "LHP Buddhist" you feel yopu can reject or embrace them or twist them at your leisure...

LHP whatever shade of purple green and blue is all about self empowerment...
you can pretend otherwise if you like. As such...LHP and Buddhism simply arent compatible....

but heck, I've met LHP Sufis online.... at least though the sufi have a djinn tradition, so it could be feasible, although the whole premise of Sufism is to be lost.. so once again its like smoking crack and saying I am a green goblin from Mars...and a Taoist...so there...

up to you

let me guess, you arent LHP anymore?

[SugaCubez352]

Originally Posted by Mr Cheese

the four noble truths are irrelivant..as Buddha taught that we can do what we like and shove unfried shrimp into our nostrils....

Nowhere do I state that I mix Theravada Buddhism with the lhp. All it takes is a little research on Theravada Buddhism to figure out that my apprehension of Theradava Buddhism as I have presented it in the Dharma forum does not deviate from 'orthodoxy.'

I do post in the lhp forum, but I stick to a single thread, the ONA thread where I answer people's questions. You would gain a more better account of how I see the lhp if you would actually read the thread.

But like I said, the lhp and how it relates to me has nothing to do with the ORIGINAL TOPIC. The original topic was the four noble truths, how you may have misunderstood it, and how I reject the English translations. Then you opened a debate. Now you change the subject.

"the four noble truths are irrelivant"

That's actually spelled: irrelevant. But thank you for stating your position.

"as Buddha taught that we can do what we like"

I'm sure he did in some schools of Buddhism. You fail to understand that the three Vehicles of Buddhism are very different and are based on their own different set of scriptures. Thus, what the Buddha may have said or taught in one tradition, may not be recognized in another.

Nowhere in Theravada Buddhism does Buddha teach that we can do what we like. I only speak for Theravada.


"as Buddha taught that we can do what we like" - Mr. Cheese

"Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!" - LaVey & Church of Satan

"Do What Thou Wilt..." - Crowley & Thelema

[Mr Cheese]

Originally Posted by SugaCubez352

Nowhere do I state that I mix Theravada Buddhism with the lhp. All it takes is a little research on Theravada Buddhism to figure out that my apprehension of Theradava Buddhism as I have presented it in the Dharma forum does not deviate from 'orthodoxy.'

I do post in the lhp forum, but I stick to a single thread, the ONA thread where I answer people's questions. You would gain a more better account of how I see the lhp if you would actually read the thread.

But like I said, the lhp and how it relates to me has nothing to do with the ORIGINAL TOPIC. The original topic was the four noble truths, how you may have misunderstood it, and how I reject the English translations. Then you opened a debate. Now you change the subject.

"the four noble truths are irrelivant"

That's actually spelled: irrelevant. But thank you for stating your position.

"as Buddha taught that we can do what we like"

I'm sure he did in some schools of Buddhism. You fail to understand that the three Vehicles of Buddhism are very different and are based on their own different set of scriptures. Thus, what the Buddha may have said or taught in one tradition, may not be recognized in another.

Nowhere in Theravada Buddhism does Buddha teach that we can do what we like. I only speak for Theravada.


"as Buddha taught that we can do what we like" - Mr. Cheese

"Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!" - LaVey & Church of Satan

"Do What Thou Wilt..." - Crowley & Thelema

marvellous.....

thanks for sharing....

..................

Moriarty: I should risk my life for an egg and a nest?
Officer 2: Chickens do it all the time!

--the goon show

[LoTrobador]

Originally Posted by Mr Cheese

LHP whatever shade of purple green and blue is all about self empowerment...
you can pretend otherwise if you like. As such...LHP and Buddhism simply arent compatible....

Dugpas
Vāmamārga

[Mr Cheese]

Originally Posted by LoTrobador

Dugpas
Vāmamārga

et tu brute...

still its not Theravada buddhism...which suga claimed to be and LHP, in the "why LHP" thread....

shrug..

but perhaps we should discuss the actual thread's topic? lol

[Egyptian Phoenix]

I don't think any school of Buddhism says the Buddha taught we can do whatever we like. The Buddha taught that one should strive to care for all living things and spend our life easing the suffering of everyone.

[Mr Cheese]

Originally Posted by Yosef1986

I don't think any school of Buddhism says the Buddha taught we can do whatever we like. The Buddha taught that one should strive to care for all living things and spend our life easing the suffering of everyone.

yet suga claimed we can reject anythign and everything...
because Buddha said so...
in effect..saying we can do what we like....

what other conclusion can there be if we simply reject everythign when we want, because we want to....? Obviously there is more to it than that, but I would argue that is what suga was proclaiming.... I fail to see how one could mix the ideas of the LHOP with theredava buddhism in any other way

[SugaCubez352]

Originally Posted by Mr Cheese

et tu brute...

still its not Theravada buddhism...which suga claimed to be and LHP, in the "why LHP" thread....

shrug..

but perhaps we should discuss the actual thread's topic? lol

Rather than present data you resort to putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me to make yourself look right somehow.

You first said that rejecting the four noble truths is impossible for a Buddhist.

I said it is possible due to mistranslations and the misunderstandings arising from such mistranslations.

You then state that the four noble truths are irrelevant, and that the Buddha taught that we can do whatever we want.

I pointed out that the Buddha never taught that we can do whatever we want, and I showed you how your misunderstanding of Buddhism resembles the basic principle of the Church of Satan and Crowley and Thelema... which you stated earlier that Buddhism and the LHP were incompatible.

Yosef now says that no such school of Buddhism teaches that you can do what you want.

You states that the LHP and Buddhism are incompatible.

Somebody pointed out that they were, and that such lhp Buddhist sects do exist which contradicts your statement you made founded on assumptions.

You really have nothing to work with but assumptions and misunderstandings.

[SugaCubez352]

Originally Posted by Mr Cheese

yet suga claimed we can reject anythign and everything...
because Buddha said so...
in effect..saying we can do what we like....

I said in this very same thread I reject the four noble truths on account of mistranslations and misunderstandings. Nowhere did I say or claim that "we can reject anythign[sic] and everything... because Buddha said so."

You need to stop putting words into other people's mouths.

[Mr Cheese]

Originally Posted by SugaCubez352

Rather than present data you resort to putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me to make yourself look right somehow.

You first said that rejecting the four noble truths is impossible for a Buddhist.

I said it is possible due to mistranslations and the misunderstandings arising from such mistranslations.

You then state that the four noble truths are irrelevant, and that the Buddha taught that we can do whatever we want.

I pointed out that the Buddha never taught that we can do whatever we want, and I showed you how your misunderstanding of Buddhism resembles the basic principle of the Church of Satan and Crowley and Thelema... which you stated earlier that Buddhism and the LHP were incompatible.

Yosef now says that no such school of Buddhism teaches that you can do what you want.

You states that the LHP and Buddhism are incompatible.

Somebody pointed out that they were, and that such lhp Buddhist sects do exist which contradicts your statement you made founded on assumptions.

You really have nothing to work with but assumptions and misunderstandings.

I mentioned putting shrimp in orafices too...

you take things too seriously