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Old 07-03-2009, 04:36 PM
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I personally consider the term "Religious Experience" to be fairly ambiguous. Generally, people seem to feel that the term refers to a personal encounter with some form of entity from their religious teaching, most commonly God.

I have had several of what I consider to be 'religious experiences', but I have always been interested to learn about the experiences of others. I'd be interested to hear about any religious experiences people on RF have had.

Furthermore, my experiences have had nothing to do with a personal deity, so when I hear of people being 'spoken to' by God, I feel I want to understand why they have interpreted their experience the way that they have.

So for people that have had a religious experience, can you tell me a little about the event(s), and what convinced you to reach a particular conclusion (Eg. God was speaking to you)?

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I personally have trouble with the term "religious." It is the stuff of "church" of formalized ritual, practice and credo. I prefer the thought of spiritual experiences and would assert that such are of God (of Christ, of the Holy Spirit). I am mopst deeply moved by Spirit when I am able to recognize-sense the presence of Spirit working in and through others.
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I personally have trouble with the term "religious." It is the stuff of "church" of formalized ritual, practice and credo. I prefer the thought of spiritual experiences and would assert that such are of God (of Christ, of the Holy Spirit). I am mopst deeply moved by Spirit when I am able to recognize-sense the presence of Spirit working in and through others.
Thank you for your reply.

In which case, the term 'Spiritual Experiences' shall be used instead. It seems that our dinstinction between religion and spirituality are somewhat different, but whatever it may be, if you prefer to talk about 'Spiritual Experiences' rather than 'Religious Experiences', then that's fine

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Hi GHK,

I am in the process of becoming a Muslim. It feels to me like an intensely religious experience. I understand the Islamic idea to be that we don't learn about God we remember Him. That is exactly how I am experiencing it.
There are things that daunt me - learning some Arabic, praying 5 times a day etc. but when I stop worrying about them and think about the concept of Islam, or submission to God I feel an extraordinary peace. I don't feel like I have made any choices. I feel like I am being guided. Of course it is possible to argue that all of this is a figment of my imagination and if any want to do so I wouldn't challenge them. But it is not how I experience it.
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Hi GHK,

I am in the process of becoming a Muslim. It feels to me like an intensely religious experience. I understand the Islamic idea to be that we don't learn about God we remember Him. That is exactly how I am experiencing it.
That sounds interesting. You've inadvertently reminded me to learn more about Islam haha. You were a Baha'i before right? Was there a particular moment that you realised it wasn't the right path for you and that Islam was how you wanted to persue Ourd or was it a very gradual thing?

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Of course it is possible to argue that all of this is a figment of my imagination and if any want to do so I wouldn't challenge them.
Personally, that wouldn't be my arguement, but how you perceive your spiritual journey is a very personal thing that I would have no right to question

One question about it though: I am guessing that you were a monotheist before your transition to Islam, would I be right? As an atheist, my religious experiences will obviously feel somewhat different. Do you feel that your experience has been affected by your religious views BEFORE the event or do you feel that even if you were, for example, a devout catholic monk, you would have encountered the same set of changes?

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I had a very profound spiritual experience once - and before I go on, let me make it very clear that I had no mind altering substances in my body at the time!

This was about 15 years ago. I lived in Germany at the time, with my first husband who was a US Army officer, and our four small children. Though I was a Christian, I was young and my faith had been pretty battered by a very difficult marriage and the demands of a large family, military deployments, living overseas for many years, etc.

My marriage was in turmoil, which meant my emotions were also. There was no peace within my soul as I searched for answers to the questions of abusive marriage, forgiveness, motherhood and potential divorce within the context of my Christian faith.

I arranged a date with my husband - farmed out the kids, made dinner reservations, spent extra time on making myself desirable, etc. Even so, the evening was a disaster from start to finish. Dinner was a trial, my husband was being argumentative and bullying, and my heart was breaking. I wanted so desperately to be able to connect with him, for him to share something beautiful with me.

I had a special place up in the mountains that I had discovered when he was on a deployment somewhere. It was the most beautiful place I had ever seen, and totally secluded. I had spent many hours there, enjoying God's creation and drinking in a spiritual peace that I so desperately needed in my life. I decided to take him there and share this with him.

We drove up into the mountains and parked the car at the end of this dirt road. I took his hand and led him to the fields overlooking the countryside. It was dusk. The jagged mountains behind us were black with a red sunset behind them. The fields spread out below us were lush with grass and wildflowers. Far below us in the valley, we could hear the jingle of cowbells and the call of a farmer. I took my husband's hand and led him to the middle of the meadow, and whispered, "Please dance with me."

He wouldn't budge. He kept saying, "Let's just go home. It's getting dark. Why did you bring me here?"

In desperation, I tried to seduce him. I stripped down to nothing. He still wouldn't budge. For some reason, instead of humiliating me, I suddenly thought, "Oh, to hell with him."

I ran out across the meadow and, closing my eyes, began to dance. Suddenly, I SWEAR I felt the presence of other beings - satyrs, elves, fairies, the spirits of trees and rocks and grasses. I whispered, "Who are you? Should I be afraid? Should I cry out for Jesus?" And I felt them say, "We roamed this earth before Jesus did. God made us and we are ancient. We are around you always. Dance with us. We're free."

So I did. And it was amazing and beautiful.

I knew from that moment on that I was basically totally different from my husband - that my spirit could never really connect with his. It never had - it never would. It never did.

This memory gave me a lot of inner strength over the next few years - and still does. There are ancient truths that supercede our petty lives. Also, God reaches down sometimes when we least expect it and He gives us something beautiful and pure, like a nectar to our souls.

He wants us to be joyful. He wants us to dance with His creation. We ARE His creation.
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That sounds interesting. You've inadvertently reminded me to learn more about Islam haha. You were a Baha'i before right? Was there a particular moment that you realised it wasn't the right path for you and that Islam was how you wanted to persue Ourd or was it a very gradual thing?


Personally, that wouldn't be my arguement, but how you perceive your spiritual journey is a very personal thing that I would have no right to question

One question about it though: I am guessing that you were a monotheist before your transition to Islam, would I be right? As an atheist, my religious experiences will obviously feel somewhat different. Do you feel that your experience has been affected by your religious views BEFORE the event or do you feel that even if you were, for example, a devout catholic monk, you would have encountered the same set of changes?

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Kathryn: Thank you for sharing your story with me. Very interesting... A few questions if I may?

I have to tell you that if I had that experience I would have interpreted it very differently. Do you think that your religion had a big impact on your interpretation of the event?

Did it change your religious beliefs at all? You said it had a huge impact on your life but did it strengthen your faith or change it in any way? I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that if I didn't believe in Aeya I would have probably become a Pagan of some sort, but you were already a christian right? Do you think the event made sense in relationship to your beliefs at the time?

Can you give me a little bit of help with your use of the word 'felt'? I know from my own experiences that it isn't a conventional 'feeling' that you experience, but after all, I could be psychologically unwell and just be hallucinating. It would be nice to know how and if our experiences were similar in any way.

Thank you for taking the time to share that with me

EDIT: Great name by the way. My current girlfriend is also called Kathryn, spelt just like that

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Wow Kathryn, thank you for sharing such an intimate story of your life. It inspired me. I have had a lot of walks like that, the same underlying feelings, the storyline just different. I have had out of body experiences. I was once pronounced dead in the water from drowning, revived, and now have a fear of the ocean. I recently went to the ocean and with the help of what I call prayer, searching my inner self for the courage to ask for help from the spirit, the God, the whatever it is out there...I found some peace and I was able to enter the ocean and swim in it.

I have also had several experiences where messages have come to me, answers to questions that I have pondered. I started a ritual of holotropic breathing which helps to open my mind and my spirit to visions. I am not going to try and label the visions here as being messages from God, or whatnot, but I felt an inner peace as I came back to realization that helped me to get through whatever perils I was facing at the time. The answers on how to live, and what to do, in my time of need were there and I found peace.

On a random unexplainable side note....One specific story I can recall is one that started in 1979, the year I was born, and it was told by my mother throughout 16 years of my life until one day, in my presence, the story dramatically changed. As an infant, my mother and I experienced something she cannot explain. The story goes, we were in a motorhome traveling up the coast of California. We stopped in the evening to go to a restaurant. My mother stayed in the motorhome with me to breastfeed, while the 3 other adults we were traveling with went in to eat. During the meal I dozed off and my mom laid with me. According to my mom, suddenly the motorhome started to shake, and a helicopter noise sounded directly overhead. She says she tried to jump up thinking an earthquake, or a helicopter was landing, but she was frozen, she couldnt move to shield me. Then a white beam of light passed over my mother and I three times and it felt like a pins & needles sensation over her body wherever the white beam of light was touching. Then all at once everything stopped shaking, she was able to move, and I woke abruptly and started crying. A few moments later the 3 adults came back and thought my frantic mother was crazy, having probably just had a bad dream, assuming she had dozed off, or been in some kind of an in-between sleep state of mind. For the longest time that was the story...although my mom swore she was not asleep. Then after I was 16, having heard the same bedtime "ghost" story for 16 years, my mom, sister and I were watching the Maury Povich show one afternoon, and the show was about unexplained stories. As we were watching the show, a woman sitting on stage starts her story..."16 years ago in 1979, living on the coast of California...one evening her house started to shake...sounded like a helicopter was hovering, and she goes on to describe every detail!!!! She claimed the same white beam of light passed over her 3 times...she was frozen, she felt the pins & needles feeling...and then abruptly it just stopped.

I still to this day cannot explain that one.
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My whole life paradigm shifted radically a few years back,
and I lived in a Super Heightened state of Awareness/Being for weeks and weeks on end.
After a few months, either my assemblage point moved back slightly and settled,
or I just got used to my New experience of Life.

It took a good 3+ years though before I was able to find terminology for my new state of BEing.
It was a while before I really got it that the UniVerse would speak and move with me,
in WHATEVER symbols/symbolisms I was inSpired to find connection with.
It made no difference if they were classic christian symbols,
Or (any) "ordinary" things that were relevent/revealing/meaning-full to me in my daily life.

It was mostly a warm and wonderful experience
as everything around me spoke (to me) in an epiphany of meaningful coincidence.
But there was really wiggy stuff too.
As I still had years of Roman Catholic,
and general Christian, superstition and taboo to contend with.
Fear alligned with meaningful coincidence,
in a extreme state of heightened awareness can be quite a trip.

I no longer live in fear of the unknown,
or potential supernatural evil.
I walked through that valley of (personal) death
and came out more alive than I have ever been.
And I love the dark now. The Deep Purple of Twilight is my domain.
It is in the domain of Voidian Black.. just beyond the edge of deepest Night...
that I "cast" and "stir" and "spell" and "create" .

I suppose I call mySelf "Occultic" now,
because I live what feels like, an invisibly superimposed reality.
A hidden reality in a world of Openly hidden symbolisms
ever active in the richness of my Self BEcoming,
but detached from what is "ordinary" "assumed" "allowable".
Very personally detached from grand societal schematics and institution.

I figure each one of us is doing as we are personally inclined.
And that is good enough for me.
I may be detached from institution at large,
but I still like to see individuals doing "their thing" with personal passion, focus & will.
I love to see individuals reaching deep into their own existence.
In whatever area that might be.

As individuals we make up the whole.
I have no desire any longer to see other individuals "be" anything in particular.
I took my own life back in all of this.
That is the most important thing.
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