how do you define a witch? (pagan, Jacob, Satan, religion)

[michel]

Originally Posted by Guitar's Cry

For me, a witch is someone who actively participates in magical spellwork. That's a broad definition for me, since magic is not something sequestered to a ritual. In my normal usage of the term, it refers to pagan--as defined as nature based spirituality--magic.

In other words, there really is no difference between someone participating in baptism and another participating in a water-cleansing spell. But "witch" has certain connotations that have been ingrained in me through experience.

I like your second paragraph; to me, a witch is one who believes that he/she is able to tap in to using some power that we cannot see.

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by Troublemane

You forgot the dravidian witch, from pre-aryan-invaded India. Which I have long suspected may be from the same root word as "druid" and "dryad".

Oh, and the book by Kramer and Sprenger, the "Witches' Hammer", is one of the most amazing pieces of imaginitive fiction, clearly devised as an open ended means to blame anything on anyone, and to justify torture to the most horrific degree. If I recall, there is justification for torture because a witch cannot feel pain. I also recall there being in that book a lengthy explaination for men's nocturnal emmissions as due to succubi who visit them in the night and steal their sperm, then shapeshift into male form, aka incubi, and inject stolen sperm into a sleeping woman. After all, everyone knows how from town to town there are children born of a married couple that will resemble the male neighbor rather than its father? This is obviously the work of a witch, acting as an agent of satan to cause confusion!

...it gets better from there. Nah, kramer and Sprenger are NOT good authorities on defining witches, but its still a good idea to include them in your research. If only to show the depravity of those who caused the "burning times".

that's pretty much how i'm gonna use it

[Tau]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

Who told you this crap?

You met a real druid then Kcnorwood?

LOL Because...I don't think you have!

Witches were women, all else is modern fabrication by people who should grow up.

Neither druid nor witch exist anymore, well not in the west, a witch was not someone who simply 'cast' silly dream world spells, real witches were essential to communites as I outlined earlier, they were herbalists and lore tellers and midwives and doctors, not hocus pocus merchants to the naive and gullible.

Weak.

[Azakel]

Originally Posted by Tau

You met a real druid then Kcnorwood?

LOL Because...I don't think you have!

Witches were women, all else is modern fabrication by people who should grow up.

Neither druid nor witch exist anymore, well not in the west, a witch was not someone who simply 'cast' silly dream world spells, real witches were essential to communites as I outlined earlier, they were herbalists and lore tellers and midwives and doctors, not hocus pocus merchants to the naive and gullible.

Weak.

Crap, look into some cultures and what they believe. I lot of the wiseMEN are called Witches. Gender doesn't mean anything here. Show us some prof of what you are saying to, show some sources for your info.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by Azakel

Crap, look into some cultures and what they believe. I lot of the wiseMEN are called Witches. Gender doesn't mean anything here. Show us some prof of what you are saying to, show some sources for your info.

Sorry?

Gender doesnt mean anything?

Oh I think it does...male witches...what a load of old crap lol.

Go research it yourself child, I am just posting an opinion I dont know where to begin to get the relevant sources, my great gran was a witch, you don't learn real witchcraft from a book or online lol only the feeble minded do....weak.

Its a state of mind, one that only females can enter into, by virtue of what nature has given them and NOT men, honestly....

[Azakel]

Originally Posted by Tau

Sorry?

Gender doesnt mean anything?

Oh I think it does...male witches...what a load of old crap lol.

Go research it yourself child, I am just posting an opinion I dont know where to begin to get the relevant sources, my great gran was a witch, you don't learn real witchcraft from a book or online lol only the feeble minded do....weak.

Its a state of mind, one that only females can enter into, by virtue of what nature has given them and NOT men, honestly....

I have, and in many culture men and women can both be Witches. I think that's what you don't understand. Though you say it is just your opinion yet you call what other are saying crap and calm it to be true with no proof yet other I believe have shown info and proof yet still lol them like a little child.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Tau

Sorry?

Gender doesnt mean anything?

Oh I think it does...male witches...what a load of old crap lol.

Go research it yourself child, I am just posting an opinion I dont know where to begin to get the relevant sources, my great gran was a witch, you don't learn real witchcraft from a book or online lol only the feeble minded do....weak.

Its a state of mind, one that only females can enter into, by virtue of what nature has given them and NOT men, honestly....

I'm going to take this as sarcasm. I am glad that you say that you're posting an "opinion" and admit to not having researched it at all though.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I'm going to take this as sarcasm. I am glad that you say that you're posting an "opinion" and admit to not having researched it at all though.

Take it as you like Gentoo.

No research is necessary, like I said like Druidism, you wont learn Witchcraft from a book...end of.

[Kcnorwood]

Originally Posted by Tau

Take it as you like Gentoo.

No research is necessary, like I said like Druidism, you wont learn Witchcraft from a book...end of.

You have no idea what a fool your making yourself out to be, you really should do some research before you keep making more stupid statements..... well if thats at all possible. Can you make any more sexist statements? Research is required without it your just being stupid.