destiny and act (Earth, Kingdom, choices, choice, hell)

[.lava]

hi

i'd like to tell about two concepts of Islam. one of them is destiny. we call the other one 'accident' (kaza). that is the exact word we use. i used to be confused about it. i thought that referred to car accidents...etc. but it has nothing to do with it. just to make it easier to understand, i preferred to use 'act' instead.

destiny includes any kind of situation that occurs without your agreement or permission. free will would not change what destiny offers.

accident or act includes every single thing which is done by free will.

let's take marriage as an example. marriage is considered as destiny. however you use your free will to marry someone, s/he has to agree with that too. what s/he wants is not within your power to control. S/he makes a decision. if s/he agrees, then you can marry. for both of you, fact is the same. you both depend on each others agreement to get married.

death is destiny. certain time and place of death is chosen before you were born. reasons why you go there and personal conditions would be set my your acts. which means, the cause of your death depend on acts.

life is considered as some kind of web that build by destiny and acts. no act could avoid destiny but act decides quality. it was said person is not responsible of destiny, but he is responsible of his acts.

[Heneni]

Hello lava!

Would you say the following is true?

If you were born to be an architect you will be one, be that a poor or a good one, how good or poor determined by your choices.

Is that sort of what you are saying? Or does god have no destiny i.t.o what we do here on earth for a job.

I know our destinies are linked to our job in the kingdom of God. But what about our job here on earth.

What do you think?

Love
Heneni

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by .lava

death is destiny. certain time and place of death is chosen before you were born. reasons why you go there and personal conditions would be set my your acts. which means, the cause of your death depend on acts.

What kind of "acts" are you talking about?

[Alex_G]

Do you think its that everyone has free will, and its their interactions that create an illusion of alot of the destiny or unchangable aspects of life? Like much destiny is controled by free will. The only things certain in life are death and taxes as ben franklin says

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Scott1

What kind of "acts" are you talking about?

Wilful actions.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Hello lava!

Would you say the following is true?

If you were born to be an architect you will be one, be that a poor or a good one, how good or poor determined by your choices.

Is that sort of what you are saying? Or does god have no destiny i.t.o what we do here on earth for a job.

I know our destinies are linked to our job in the kingdom of God. But what about our job here on earth.

What do you think?

Love
Heneni

destiny and act join together. i mean, if you want to be an architect you must study that. it is up to your free will to chose what you want to be. but becoming one or not would be your destiny.

i think everyone is talented. but not everyone has skills to be a great architect. i believe if one knows himself well, then he would make the right choice and he would be successful. today people consider how popular job is, how much they could earn...etc. they do not consider that they would make good money if they really do what they love to do. instead of personal skills, they care for statistics. i do not think it is destiny. but i would say it is destiny if you make good money or not. you can't decide how much success you get. therefor it was said success is given by God. yet work is done by person (free will).

when my dad was 10-12 years old, he met a imam in small village. they were a few kids together listening to what he says. imam says 'if God has written on your forehead that you'd be a thief, then you will be, it is your destiny.' my dad, as a kid of course, asks imam 'if it was written on his forehead to be a thief, then why would he be punished for it?'

yea imam was wrong. 10 year old was wiser than him, wasn't he? that is not destiny to be a sinner. it is person's choice.

i hope i gave an answer to your question

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Scott1

What kind of "acts" are you talking about?

any kind of act depends on your personal decisions. what you say for example is up to you. your words, if i read them, are my destiny. it is your destiny to read these words and act of my free will.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Alex_G

Do you think its that everyone has free will, and its their interactions that create an illusion of alot of the destiny or unchangable aspects of life? Like much destiny is controled by free will. The only things certain in life are death and taxes as ben franklin says

i am sorry, i am not sure if i understood you correctly. would you explain little bit more?

[Alex_G]

Originally Posted by .lava

i am sorry, i am not sure if i understood you correctly. would you explain little bit more?

Ah never mind about tht post, wasnt really important

Free will is choice right? Destiny is what exactly? Is it the overall outcome of free will, or the aspects of life that are uncontrolable?