May I ask of our Muslim Friends. (creation, doctrine, worship)

[Colabomb]

Is Islam generally Iconoclastic, or only more conservative Branches?

Does the Koran forbid the use of Images to aid in (but not recieve) worship?

Just curiousity

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Colabomb

Is Islam generally Iconoclastic, or only more conservative Branches?

Does the Koran forbid the use of Images to aid in (but not recieve) worship?

Just curiousity

Hi Colabomb, I think th Islam DIR is the most suitable place for this question so all the Muslims can see it and answer it right a way.

You can post your questions in the Islam Forum in the link below:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam/

[Colabomb]

sure, thanks

[not4me]

The concept of God and nature of the relationship between the believer and God that Islam established don't give any space for the use of an icon, image, sculpture...etc.

[nawab]

No, it doesnt we do not have a concept of a a vision of god, because anything that we can imagine is not Allah/God almighty.

Moreover, The quran cannot be included icons, because the quran is not our creation but Allahs.

Idoltry was a pagen beleif in which the people felt secure looking at something. which got indoctrined into Christian beleifs later.

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by not4me

The concept of God and nature of the relationship between the believer and God that Islam established don't give any space for the use of an icon, image, sculpture...etc.

What about the black stone in Mecca?

[nawab]

What about the black stone, the black stone is not an idol it does not have a face like yours or like your picture.

Black stone is just like any gem which is decorated on the Kaaba and Historians tell us even before Islam the Black stone was never worshipped even by the pagens/idol worshippers

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by nawab

What about the black stone, the black stone is not an idol it does not have a face like yours or like your picture.

Black stone is just like any gem which is decorated on the Kaaba and Historians tell us even before Islam the Black stone was never worshipped even by the pagens/idol worshippers

I am aware that Muslims worship only Allah. What prompted me to bring in the black stone was your statement, "...Islam ... don't give any space for the use of an icon, image, sculpture...etc".

[nawab]

Yes brother, I did said that and i stick to it i have told you that it is not an icon nor image or a sculpture it is an ordinary stone not sacred we do not worship the stone.

The purpose of the stone is not the same as the purpose of a statue of Jesus/Mary in a church or Shiva/Ganesh/Durga in a hindu temple. I hope it is clear

Bythe way we dont use it for worship we say that it is a decoration on the Kaaba, we just kiss the stone but we dont have a concept that the Stone is holy in a sense that it will do harm or for good fortune or luck.

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by nawab

Yes brother, I did said that and i stick to it i have told you that it is not an icon nor image or a sculpture it is an ordinary stone not sacred we do not worship the stone.

The purpose of the stone is not the same as the purpose of a statue of Jesus/Mary in a church or Shiva/Ganesh/Durga in a hindu temple. I hope it is clear

Bythe way we dont use it for worship we say that it is a decoration on the Kaaba, we just kiss the stone but we dont have a concept that the Stone is holy in a sense that it will do harm or for good fortune or luck.

I quote the following from Wikipedia:

"According to Islamic tradition, the Stone fell from Heaven during the time of Adam and Eve, when it was a pure and dazzling white, but has since turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years[2]. It was later removed and hidden in the hill of Abu Qubays near Mecca. When Abraham rebuilt the Kaaba, the Archangel Gabriel brought the stone out of hiding and gave it to him.[6] Muhammad is said to have played a key part in the history of the Black Stone. In 602, before the first of his prophetic revelations, he was present in Mecca during the rebuilding of the Kaaba. The Black Stone had been temporarily removed while a new structure was being constructed. A story found in Ibn Ishaq's Sirah Rasul Allah (as reconstructed and translated by Guillaume) shows Muhammad settling a quarrel between Meccan clans as to which clan should set the Black Stone in place. His solution was to have all the clan elders raise the cornerstone on a cloak, and then Muhammad set the stone into its final place with his own hands."

Is the Black Stone a mere ordinary stone? Can any stone that absorbs sins be an ordinary stone?