May I ask of our Muslim Friends. (creation, doctrine, worship)

[nawab]

Dear Scott

Pakisatn is a safe Haven for everyone, I am originated from Pakistan, They have to let the Bahs in the country, if not how would they get aid from the world bank, they dont do it for free let you guys in, the Pakistanis get paid for that. So i dont think you can say Pakistan is a tolerante nice country i disagree.

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

"Islam is not intolerant, Scott, and you know that well. Praising the baha'i faith in the expense of islam is a habit of yours, but this is the first time i see you going so far with it. What Iran is doing to your fellow baha'is have nothing to do with Islam and you know that well.

When you talk about intolerane, please stick to Persia (Iran) and don't generalize until you reach Islam, as a religion."

The Islamic Revolutionary Government has as one of its branches the Imams of Iran. They can veto and initiate government actions.

Wikipedia (Islamic government): Iran's Islamic republic is in contrast to the semi-secular state of the Republic of Pakistan (proclaimed as an Islamic Republic in 1956) where Islamic laws are technically considered to override laws of the state, though in reality their relative hierarchy is ambiguous."

Islam was very tolerant historically speaking, one cannot call it tolerant as it manifests itself in government bodies. It is or is not tolerant depending upon the particular government in question.

Qur'anically speaking Islam is extremely tolerant, "Let there be no compulsion in religion" is a paradigm of tolerance.

It's the practice by individuals using religion to practice social control that is in question not the words of God expressed through the Prophet Muhammed.

I hope that clarifies.

Regards,
Scott

Pakistan was a haven for Baha`i's fleeing Iran and still is for those who can still get out.

The government of Iran has been extremely intolerant of the Baha`i Faith.

[nawab]

no, i meant shaking hands is still closer to Islam than Joing Palms,which hardly even your indian ambassadors when they meet forigen diplomats dont join palms tehy shake hand, well since you said Hindusim is very flexible the rules can change according to the interest, so i wont blame you.

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by nawab

no, i meant shaking hands is still closer to Islam than Joing Palms,which hardly even your indian ambassadors when they meet forigen diplomats dont join palms tehy shake hand, well since you said Hindusim is very flexible the rules can change according to the interest, so i wont blame you.

Are you saying greeting by shaking hands is the Islamic way of doing it and the world is indebted to Islam for this form of greeting? I thought Islamic greeting is more onto hugging.

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by nawab

Pakisatn is a safe Haven for everyone, I am originated from Pakistan, They have to let the Bahs in the country, if not how would they get aid from the world bank, they dont do it for free let you guys in, the Pakistanis get paid for that. So i dont think you can say Pakistan is a tolerante nice country i disagree.

Are you here confirming that Pakistan is an intolerent country? If it is so, would it have anything to do with it being an Islamic country?

[nawab]

You didnt understand me, or you are acting like a lawyer but God knows best.

Yes unfortunately, please find the history of shaking hands The british adapted it in 16th centurary, we were hand shaking from the completetion of Islam till today and many countries are now doing that, How is Palm joining a universal greetings.

Pakistan is 0% in Islam in regards to its policies. I was answering Scott he said Pakistan is safe Haven, i wanted to tell him that in order to get money from the world bank they even allow the importing of Christian Missionaries. so, whats the big deal if they allow Bahis

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by K.Venugopal

Are you saying greeting by shaking hands is the Islamic way of doing it and the world is indebted to Islam for this form of greeting? I thought Islamic greeting is more onto hugging.

The Romans invented it as best as can be told, clasping forearms. It is also a product of European middle ages as it is hard for two men to kill one another with weapons when their respective right hands are clasped.

Regards,
Scott

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

The Romans invented it as best as can be told, clasping forearms. It is also a product of European middle ages as it is hard for two men to kill one another with weapons when their respective right hands are clasped.

I suppose if anything has to be claimed to be Islamic, it should have been originated by Mohammad or his followers. Shaking hands may have been a tradition in Arabia, but we should remember that Arabian society existed even before Islam. Compare this also with the tendency of Muslims to claim inheritance to all scientific accomplishments of Arabs, even where some of those Arabs were contemptuous of Islam.