May I ask of our Muslim Friends. (creation, doctrine, worship)

[nawab]

allright since you have claim that Hindu scriptures do not teach about Caste system which i have read it myself but I will conclude this part. I will reluctantly agree with you that Hinduism does not approve caste system.

Now for greetings, that joining hands is a universal greeting i dont agree, even people in Europe, US, Middle East, Hong Kong, China, they all shake hands, shaking hands is universal greeting gesture.

Now regarding, if i explain aspects or teachings of Islam to Christians or Jews, they will understand what i am saying, by you saying Muhammad copied Jesus, i can also say to Chrsitians that Jesus copied everything from Moses. Allah Forbid. no, this is not like that We are a prophectic religion, Hinduism is not a prophetic religion. every prophet Law was similar or had a slight change. Like we are all Cricumcised from Adam to Muhammad all taught to be circumcised, but because of the naught of the Children of Israel, they were supposed to wander in the dessert for 40 years so, the most common animal in the dessert is camel which is haram for them as a punishment but for us muslims as our pioners were from a different tribe/community so we could eat camel. but our diet law Kosher and Halaal is the same. another example is that Moses main doctrine after the oneness of God was an eye for an eye, a tooth or a tooth but the jews took the law to the extreme there was no time for trials, Jesus brought the remedy if anyone slaps you one one cheek offer the other.
then people became too soft. Then both laws are not compatiable with society today. Now the law Muhammad brought in this regards is trials, do not oppress and dont be oppressed, if you want you can put the accussed on trial or forgive him. you yourself tell me among these 3 laws which law is compatiable with today societies.

I myself do not beleive that the state of Israel should have any right of exsistence. I explained to you we are tolerant to you guys but tolerance do not means acceptance. for example will the hindus allow the muslims to slay cows for food, no so how are hindus being tolerant.

I dont know where you have found this that Muhammad took slave girls from Allah, provide me the reference number and i will find out.

Alcohol might be still available in Muslim countries thats why we need places like Mecca and Medina since the advent of Islam Alcohol has never be found in Mecca and Medina. that why we need a place away from the rest sinful world.

The scholars they use the quran to sanction Haddiths, there cannot be Quran only we also need the Haddiths, as a commentry. During the life time of the prophet there was no problem of Haddiths but after his demise, there was this problems when some hipocrytes started to add in thier own stuff.

The miracle about salaat is that Every rigtheous Muslim at the same time 5 times a day whereever he is, stands together shoulder to shoulder, In sajdah put his head down on the floor and proclaims Allahu Akbar, Allah is Great in the same direction every circle as a centre point. all around the world facing in the same direction. I will inform you that Allah does not needs our prayer, this is only our test. What will Allah do with our prayers, He is testing us, are we submitting to him.praying in one direction is for the unity. maybe your gods need your prayers to require sustenance, Allah doesnt, he feds us but is not required to be fed. Allah is not where we pray. and Allah is not everywhere as well. Some Muslims do say that Allah is everywhere, his knowledge is everywhere he himself is not everywhere.

Allah has many attrributes which 99 are mentioned in the Haddiths they are not names e.g. the Merciful, Creator, sustener,. Even in Hinduism it says sages call him by different names but he is only one. there is a beautiful attribute in Hinudism for God almighty. Brahma.

Brahma = Al Khaliq = the Creator
Vishnu = As Samad = the sustainer

but we will disagree with you when you say the god has four faces or god is sitting on a snake or a tiger. regarding terminalogy no problem. but when you make a pratima of God then i cant accept that.

Your are very right, Islam does lay down rules & conditions for its followers, every civilised nation on earth has a consititution, the rules & regulations, if Hinduism doesnt has then it is not compatiable with todays age. you are keep on saying the world is your family then when the muslism want to eat beef why do you not let your brothers eat Beef.

For shias and sunnis beleieve the Muslims who pride themselves under these labels are very few.
but you are right just being a muslin you dont get a straight ticket to heaven but you have to earn it. after beliving in the knowledge of the unseen. the sects it was also foretold Islam is not failed but those muslims have. your right we also want to have our caliphate with our shariat as consititution, eventually it is going to happen as a promise for 40 years before the day of resurrection.

Obviously it is God who created life, whats the big deal 3 religious scriptures confirms that dont be sad, just because Hinduism didnt mentioned it, since you dont mind co-exsisting you can always beleive in a slight part of the Torah/bible regarding the creation of man.

I think you forgot my family were not brahmins, we were kshatriyas. a warrior will never back down from his responsibility as krishna said in mahabharat.

you talk about divinity of man what divinity do we have, we eat, we go to toilets, we have sex, we vomits, we get tired, the laws of earth are compulsary on us, when we touch fire we get burnt, we get sick, we die, we lust, will be raised, what divinity do you have. What is man in front of his sight

I said we desire to become his slaves, its different. well, so when are you going to awake your divinity, please inform me i like to see. The day you become divine i will be the first one to follow you but proof to me that you are divine. since you claim that you can awaken the divinity. i will love to see.

Prophet Muhammd did not mediated (this word is only used because the english language is so inferior they cannot produce a word for that type of nature) in arabic the word is Dhikr (Zhikr in urdu) He went there to rest far away from the idol worshippers, to be alone and to proclaim Allahs name. If mediation was the way, he should have done after the 1st revealation which he didnt. so you are fighting a womans battle picking words to suit yourself.

Regarding the verse in Surah Tauba(chapter 9) please read the whole thing in context alot of muslims have clarified on this point, i am tired of doing this over and over, regard from verse 1 and go the verse mentioned. you are still finding verses to suit your self.

Inshallah, if any muslim who is ignorant of the quran, i will tell him.

[Popeyesays]

Shaking hands is NOT a Chinese tradition, it is an attempt on their part to treat their western guests as they expect to be treated.

The CHinese traditional greeting is to "shake hands with one's swelf". One clasps one's own hands in front of one's upper adbdomen and bows towards whomever one might be greeting.

Hong Kong is not pure Chinese tradition you know. There was no Hong Kong as a city until the British and foreign traders built it.

Regards,
Scott

[nawab]

Jesus also said in Job 25:3-6

3 Is there any number to His armies?
Upon whom does His light not rise?
4 How then can man be righteous before God?
Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?
5 If even the moon does not shine,
And the stars are not pure in His sight,
6 How much less man, who is a maggot,
And a son of man, who is a worm?”

I have learned from you patience, the messanger is always there but the prime message of the Quran is to worship and ultimate submission to Allah.

Just tell me one thing when Shiva didnt recoignized his own son Ganesh, when i am in trouble i seek his help how will he recoignize me. So Shiva choped Ganesh head off and I cant imagine that God doesnt have enough power to resurect the dead, he has to find an elephants head to improvise. doesnt the story sound humanly to you. One Hindu friend brought a Parsad and said eat it, i said i can only eat the parsad if God almightys name is procalimed on the food as instructed in the Quran. He started telling me the story. I told him this is the God you beleive in and he said forget it it is just a story, i said, I insist i want to eat the parsad prove to me that Ganesh is God so i can eat it. By Allah i was not making a mockery of any one i was being logical

There are alot of facts, like the moon has reflected light, the Pharoh Ramesis II s body will be preserved till last hour. the fact about sperm that among sperms only one sperm is required, the embryo looking like a lychee, the sun rotates above its axises, the fact that all life is created with Water, every living thing consists of water, these are only few which i know from my limited knowledgeare these mentioned in the Vedas. Dr Keith Moore has wrote a book on the Human Embryology based on the Quranic description. the Earth is a book which is wriiten based on Geology in Islam. the authors are non-muslims.

Limitations yes of course everything precious has a limited edition, we are limited editions. Allah doesnt creates the problem, due to the Human struction and the proffesions of man and woman, more men die than women so it is also because of our own doing that surplus of women are there.
in the Quran it is mentioned that we have created Jinns and humans only to worship. this word worship basically means anything you do because you are submitting your will to Allah, e.g. like i am working (this is also worship) because the prophet said earn honesty for a living, being honest is also worship, eating in the way the prophet told us is also worship. so in short whatever the prophet told us to do and if we do than we arte worshipping and if the prophet forbid something and we dont do it we are also worshipping.Worship is not only 5 times a day for us every breath we take we beleive that it is because of the almighty grace this is also worship. When we go to the toilet to urniate, in the way the prophet reccommended that is also worship. How can we compare ourselves with Allah i have already explained upstairs an engineer of a TV and a TV which is created by him is not compareable. He created one TV he can create another TV, How can man be equal with God.

You are right if you are having sex with your legal wife with rules of the islamic sex then you are doing worship there is no doubt. i said to you everything we do requires us to worship even as every breath we take. Allah has only created Jinns and Humans for worship. we dont worship our wife or the wife worship us. we are worshipping Allah by obeying his commands of ultimate submission.

Regarding the Big Bang, we beleived it but obviously there was no Media at that time. This is Allah s way how want to create the mountains as pegs or not. any geologist would be able to confirm this. that if they were no mountains, the earth would have rotated with us. in Science it is the bones that are created first. I think you should research on it. no matter is the Greeks or not, our Prophet could only speak broken arabic how could he have got from foriegn sources doesnt make sense.

Thats why in India you guys have so many abortion clinics, give 5000 ruppes save 500000 ruppes.
because marriage is a sacred event, thats why you have a over population of males there is so many infanticide. We are true to our facts we also have to safeguard evryone, if the males divorces her at least she has something with her for sustaining purposes we are practicle we beleive in prevention is better than cure. There was abritish reporter she went to india and reported so many female emrbtos being aborted after being identified as females. It depends on the girl whoose gift she might accept it doesnt have to put a price maybe A gives her gold B gives her silver she might accept B, up to her choice.

See Sri Sri Ravi Shankar said Islam took its initaial form from Hinduism he said that the words like Ramzan came from Ram or something like that. this is wrong.

Tell me dude when Krishna can have 16,000 wives, why can muslims just have 4, i means i dont see what the problem is, Prophet Solomon had around 1000 wives, Abrahim had 2 wives, Jacob had 2 wives according to the bible. you ar eproudly saying Krishna having 16,000 wives but not letting muslims have 4 .

No one is destined to eternal paradise or hell, you will enter according to your own deeds and sins now lets see where the Quran contradicts itself, well if you dont want to live in Islamic countries than dont, but when your in our lands it our rules, when your land we dont eat beef so its just the same

regarding JIhad there are two types of Jihad one is the Jihad-e-kufr and Jihad-e-nafs, Jihad-e-nafs is the difficult one because till you live you will have to fight the anti social elements and negativity with yourself, Jihad-kufr is that Jihad you have to fight against oppression of the Muslim comunity this is easy either Muslim dies or Kafir dies but the jihad is over for the individual. rememeber Jihad-e-kufr can only waged in violation of treaties and oppression

Islam had completely superceeded Persian Arya Dharma Zoroasterism, they are less than 5% in the world, Maybe India is destined to stay a bit longer. However this is my promised to you that we shall both see India becoming a muslim nation during our life time or not.

We are told that no matter how graet or righteous we are we wont be better than the prophet, However, we still have to try to be the best just like prepare the exam for 100% than you will get 80% if you prepare for 52% you will get 30% than you fail. i hope this part is clear i know in english it sounds funny.

Obviously we also need history, to learn from the past.

[Popeyesays]

Jesus does not speak at all in the Book of Job.

Regards,
Scott

[Popeyesays]

There are few Parsees in Persia because there has been 1500 years of oppression of the followers of Zarathustra. Many of those Zoroastrians fled to India.

The second most prevalent religion in Iran today is Baha`i though it is getting more and more illegal to be a Baha`i in Persia due to the jackboot politics of the Islamic Republic in Iran.

Regards,

Scott

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

First of all, what i mentioned is a fact, and no, haha, don't worry, i'm not being idolatrous.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

For instance, if any material in this earthly life changed from a condition to another, or from a color to another, it would be normal. The same thing can be said with this stone, but i already mentioned that this stone came from heaven, and it's not an earthly stone. Just so you understand where i'm coming from. You really need to know more information about the muslims preciption of the afterlife. In our dogma, it's well known for example that, we, human beings, in the hereafter will be judged using a unique scale. Imagine yourself trying to know your weight and you found that it's zero?!

Even if you brought a very fat person, another thin person's weight might be more than him. Why is that? because the scale at that time is based on how pious and how good you were, but not the normal weight as what you had in this life.

Just another simple fact, imagine yourself in the space, you will experine a totally different situation, as any other item coming from the space would behave on the ame way, it will behave in a totally different way. Here, this is only about an item coming from the nearest space, imagine if it came from a place where it's a thousands and thousands of years far from us, what would be the behavior and attributes of that item would be? would it be the same as earth's? would it keep the same qualities? of course not!

I'll assume that you still didn't grasp this de facto in muslims dogma, but if you had a little thought of the bigger picture, you will know that Muslims believe in heaven and hell, and if you think there is no heaven or hell, so the idea of a stone coming from heaven will be absolutely ridicolous to you. That's why you thought this stone has emotions!

It doesn't has emotions because it's not alive as what you thought, but the nature of this stone get affected with the spirituallity of the people on earth, as any stone on earth would be affected by, let's say, weather.

You are saying that this unique stone has the capacity to absorb our sins and in doing so it, which was white before, became black. The idea of a stone being able to absorb sins is somewhat far fetched, never mind where the stone came from. Of course, we all have the right to hold such beliefs, like the idol worshippers do. So what you mentioned is not a fact but a belief. In the world of belief, the ludicrous can often be the norm.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Regarding your source, i was trying find where does it mention what you have said earlier:

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

(There is no doubt that Mohammad, knowledgeable of the history of the Black Stone, was so overwhelmed by the sight of this unique stone he himself had installed in the Black Cube, that in one moment of ecstasy, he kissed it and that moment witnessed history’s greatest idol-breaker enact an idolatrous passion play.)

But i didn't find it there!

These were your own words or you found them somewhere else?

This? Why, this was not quoted from any source. It was my own obvious words in describing Mohammad’s kissing of the stone. Only passion aroused by the uniqueness of what was before him could have caused him to kiss a stone. To the best of my knowledge, Hindu idol worshippers do not kiss idols.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Anyway, read this from your own source:

I wonder what you mean when you say “from your own source”.

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

There are few Parsees in Persia because there has been 1500 years of oppression of the followers of Zarathustra. Many of those Zoroastrians fled to India. The second most prevalent religion in Iran today is Baha`i though it is getting more and more

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

illegal to be a Baha`i in Persia due to the jackboot politics of the Islamic Republic in Iran.

You are being politically correct in saying, “jackboot politics of the Islamic Republic in Iran” when it would be more correct to say, “in keeping with Islam’s legacy”. First the Parsees, then the Baha’is. Intolerance, thy name is Islam.