What about the 7-day creation story? (Earth, bible, trinity, Apostle)

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings! :-)

Originally Posted by look3467

You do take the bible as credible?

Most assuredly!

It's legitimate, God-sent scripture!

But much of it isn't literal and must therefore be interpreted symbolically in order to be fully understood.

Every Baha'i world wide also recognizes and reveres Jesus Christ!

But the passages about His name were for that Age. Now a new Age has come, as promised by Him, and as both the Jewish and Christian scriptures prophesied, the Spirit now has a new name!

Best, :-)

Bruce

[look3467]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

There might be something to numbers, 4 and 40 seem to be numbers for the length of a trail, and seven may be completeness with eight being a new beginning. There are seven candles on a manurah and seven spirits of God, there are seven days and the next is a new week, also seven notes in a major or minor scale and the next one is an octave. But since the Bible doesn't specifically say the numbers matter all that much I don't really worry about it to much, although it's kind of interesting.

Well, numbers share a key roll in understanding the bible. At least that's how I was able to see what I now see.
Repetition in the bible is of key importance.(Hence the repetion of the #7)
The 7-day creation is key in understanding the mission of Christ.
He had to visit each of the days from the beginning, and gather them all up into His body for the sacrifice of them and all future souls not yet written in the book of life. (Meaning, not yet born)
God then recreates the 7-day creation into one whole day and a picture of that is represented by the 4 beasts with six wings, the two witnesses and the 24 Elders.

Peace>>>AJ

[look3467]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

Greetings! :-)



Most assuredly!

It's legitimate, God-sent scripture!

But much of it isn't literal and must therefore be interpreted symbolically in order to be fully understood.

Every Baha'i world wide also recognizes and reveres Jesus Christ!

But the passages about His name were for that Age. Now a new Age has come, as promised by Him, and as both the Jewish and Christian scriptures prophesied, the Spirit now has a new name!

Best, :-)

Bruce

Well, you answered one part of my post, and the rest of it?

Peace>>>AJ

[look3467]

Originally Posted by Scott1

Early Christians had a fondness for numbers.... symbology.....according to St. Augustine (Tract. cxxiii, in Joan.), the number seven represented the totality of the Christian world.... others had different opinions, but I really don't give it much thought personally.

That's fine, everybody has their own level of understandings.
But, I find the numbers extremely important in understanding a greater view of the sufferings of Jesus for throughout the whole bible, they speak of Him.

The story of Job is a similitude of Jesus, as is Abraham, Joseph, David and many many more.
We have to look at the bible not for the human story element, but to the spiritual works of God in humanity.
Jesus had to become all that mankind is, was, and would ever be in order to redeem mankind from the dilemma God had placed him in.

God is the creator and God is the redeemer of His own creation. The vessel (Us) can not tell the Potter, why did you make me thus?

Peace>>>AJ

[BruceDLimber]

Look, what I posted is intended as a complete answer.

Some parts of your original question may no longer be at issue given what I've already said in answer.

Peace,

Bruce

[look3467]

I understand Bruce, there is no way you could have answered in the positive the other part of that post quote:

Can it be said of Baha'u'llah, "The rock of my salvation"?
Can it be said Baha'u'llah, liveth, was dead, and alive forever more?
Can it be said of Baha'u'llah that he holds the keys to heaven and death, literally?

What I am trying to point out is that of all the prophets, none was like the Christ of God.
His coming was predicted long before by the prophets of old as well as mentioned in the story of creation.
There was a definite purpose for all time, not just that age, but for all time, onces and for all time, a single sacrifice for all of humanity.

Failing to see the purpose will render Jesus as just another prophet, and if that is the case, I would agree with you.
But, because I see the whole purpose of His coming, and understand it, then He is my God for all eternity.
After Him in the flesh are many good and Godly man, but not any of them were born of the spirit of God at birth like first man Adam.
There are two Adams mentioned in scripture.And Baha'u'llah, is not one of them.

Peace>>>AJ

[look3467]

ISAIAH 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

What day is that? And the light of the moon being as the light of the Sun?... 7 fold? ...As in 7 days?
Seems to me that there is more to all that than meets the eye, don't you all think?

Any body care to venture any guesses?

Peace>>>AJ

[BruceDLimber]

Yes, Look, outside the narrow, literal interpretation favored by some, the same sorts of attribute are all equally attributable to other Divine Messengers such as Baha'u'llah given that They are spiritually One and the same!

Taking too much literally easily leads to confusion.

Best,

Bruce

[look3467]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

Yes, Look, outside the narrow, literal interpretation favored by some, the same sorts of attribute are all equally attributable to other Divine Messengers such as Baha'u'llah given that They are spiritually One and the same!

Taking too much literally easily leads to confusion.

Best,

Bruce

I respect your views. And understand how you are applying as you say "literal interpretations".
But prophecy pointed to only one individual and not many. One that had the power to forgive, the sins of the world, not merely individual selectee's but the whole world.
This individual is the center piece of the whole bible, not of the Koran, but of the bible.
From beginning to the cross, the plan for the salvation of the worlds is explained and brought to pass in a body prepared solely for that purpose.
Included in that plan are all the different religious beliefs in the world.
To understand why and how, Jesus has to be the deciding figure, the one in whom rests the weight of the sins on the world, and only of which He alone could bare.

Baha'u'llah, may have been a kind, loving and gentle figure, I don't know all the facts, but can not of his own power forgive sins, only to those who were around him at the time. But could not for the whole world then, now and for the future, pay for all their sins.

Being in the presence of God, a better term maybe than the word heaven to you, necessitated a ransom be paid in order for humanity to access that presence.

That ransom could no man pay........unless the creator Himself paid it.

He did! In a body prepare as a sacrifice, onces and for all time.

Peace>>>AJ

[BruceDLimber]

Originally Posted by look3467

Can it be said of Baha'u'llah, "The rock of my salvation"?
Can it be said Baha'u'llah, liveth, was dead, and alive forever more?
Can it be said of Baha'u'llah that he holds the keys to heaven and death, literally?

Spiritually, though the words change each time, the same description applies to all the Divine Messengers God sends!

They're different human beings, but all share the same investiture of the Holy Spirit and as such are all spiritually One and the same!

The differences associated with Their various taachings are social laws intended to change over time as each new Messenger comes, to meet the current human needs and abilities at that time.

And contrary to your assertion, prophecy has also promised other Divine Messengers! In particular, I refer you to the site:
http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled
where you can find a detailed description of the prophecies fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah (our Founder) and the Baha'i Faith in the Bible and elsewhere!

Cheers! :-)

Bruce


Best, :-)

Bruce