What about the 7-day creation story? (Earth, bible, trinity, Apostle)

[BruceDLimber]

Hi, AJ! :-)

I'd say the creation story and Christ are entirely separate and really have nothing to do directly with each other, though both play significant roles in religious and human history (Christ more so than the creation story).

One big advantage we Baha'is have is that our scriptures explain a number of traditionally troubling or confusing concepts from earlier religious Revelations, this being a good example! (This definitely does help us concentrate more on the here-and-now.)

Best regards, :-)

Bruce

[look3467]

Hi, Bruce
I'd say the creation story and Christ are entirely separate and really have nothing to do directly with each other, though both play significant roles in religious and human history (Christ more so than the creation story).>>>Bruce

One could see it that way.
But my view has to do with only one God. Which I know you will agree upon the one God also.

God the creator (Yah) created all there is and explained it to us in a 7-day creation story.
The consequences of the creation of mankind (flesh) was death.

Which is a normal situation due to the marriage of the Spirit Adam and the flesh Eve.

Then Knowledge gained to make them as gods, was the fall, also death, but to the spirit end of it.

Now, God the creator predestined all of us to be with Him by making alive the death spirit that existed in mankind due to the knowledge gained.

I'm assuming you understand what I'm talking about? (Tree of knowledge)

There can only be one God and no other.

Therefore God Himself has to eliminate all other gods and provide Himself as the vehicle for us to enter heaven.

Jesus then comes into the picture to provide that body for one day, "as God", literally, to die on the cross, go to hell and rescue all humanity that was held captive there awaiting Gods rescue.

Of course, God doesn't die, but the physical body of Jesus does.

It states in the bible that there is no other name in heaven, on earth or under the sea by which mankind could be saved, save the name of Jesus.

The name Jesus is the name God's salvation. Yah-shua.

All that I said fits perfectly and in harmony with the bible as a whole.

By my having that understanding, I see all humanity predestined to be saved, therefore, to me there is no distinction o what people wish to believe.

What is important to the mature individual spiritually, is that He live by the two greatest commandments.

Love God and neighbor.

Peace>>>AJ

[Sonic247]

There might be something to numbers, 4 and 40 seem to be numbers for the length of a trail, and seven may be completeness with eight being a new beginning. There are seven candles on a manurah and seven spirits of God, there are seven days and the next is a new week, also seven notes in a major or minor scale and the next one is an octave. But since the Bible doesn't specifically say the numbers matter all that much I don't really worry about it to much, although it's kind of interesting.

[Sonic247]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

Hi, AJ! :-)

I'd say the creation story and Christ are entirely separate and really have nothing to do directly with each other, though both play significant roles in religious and human history (Christ more so than the creation story).

One big advantage we Baha'is have is that our scriptures explain a number of traditionally troubling or confusing concepts from earlier religious Revelations, this being a good example! (This definitely does help us concentrate more on the here-and-now.)

Best regards, :-)

Bruce

Creation has a pretty big part in human history, since humans were one of the things created. Also it shows we were brand new from God instead of hand me downs from some dirty apes. (that was our planet!noooooooo!)

[look3467]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

There might be something to numbers, 4 and 40 seem to be numbers for the length of a trail, and seven may be completeness with eight being a new beginning. There are seven candles on a manurah and seven spirits of God, there are seven days and the next is a new week, also seven notes in a major or minor scale and the next one is an octave. But since the Bible doesn't specifically say the numbers matter all that much I don't really worry about it to much, although it's kind of interesting.

Not only interesting, but educational as well.
Christ goes through all 7 days of the creation in order to make Him the
end of the beginning, and then of the beginning without no end.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

If Jesus was to be the name of all names by which mankind should be saved, then Jesus hat to begin with the beginning of creation, fulfill that, and begin a new creation of grace.

Hence:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Peace>>>AJ

[BruceDLimber]

Originally Posted by look3467

I'm assuming you understand what I'm talking about? (Tree of knowledge)

Hi again! :-)

The "tree of knowledge" is part of the literal interpretation which we aren't into; unsurprisingly, we believe the explanation I posted.

We do stipulate the Oneness of God, yes! :-)

As to the "no other name" thing, that was very true FOR THAT AGE!

But Christ Himself said He had more to tell us (for which we weren't then ready) and so promised to send the Spirit of Truth to lead us to all truth! We see Baha'u'llah, our Founder, as this Spirit of Truth.

And the Bible itself (both Jewish and Christian scriptures) states that the Spirit will have a new name!

A New Age has indeed come, and with it the new name!

God has sent many Divine Messengers, and there will be more in the future.

Best regards, :-)

Bruce

[yakov91]

7 is Gods number, 777
6 is the devils number, 666

[look3467]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

Hi again! :-)

The "tree of knowledge" is part of the literal interpretation which we aren't into; unsurprisingly, we believe the explanation I posted.

We do stipulate the Oneness of God, yes! :-)

As to the "no other name" thing, that was very true FOR THAT AGE!

But Christ Himself said He had more to tell us (for which we weren't then ready) and so promised to send the Spirit of Truth to lead us to all truth! We see Baha'u'llah, our Founder, as this Spirit of Truth.

And the Bible itself (both Jewish and Christian scriptures) states that the Spirit will have a new name!

A New Age has indeed come, and with it the new name!

God has sent many Divine Messengers, and there will be more in the future.

Best regards, :-)

Bruce

You do take the bible as credible?
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Is Baha'u'llah, described as that corner stone; was he raised from the dead to stand in front of his people as witness to that fact, and is he the rock to break in pieces all the kingdoms of the world as dust and have the wind blow it away as mere nothing?

Can it be said of Baha'u'llah, "The rock of my salvation"?
Can it be said Baha'u'llah, liveth, was dead, and alive forever more?
Can it be said of Baha'u'llah that he holds the keys to heaven and death, literally?

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

I mean, Baha'u'llah may be a later termed prophet, but of Jesus is is said:
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

My understanding is that regardless of what prophets arise after Jesus, Jesus has spoken to all generations as the Son of God, sacrificed and rested bodily to change the face of death to life for all mankind, including: Baha'u'llah.

So, if you choose him over Jesus, Jesus already covered you with His blood, and considered your choices.

Peace>>>AJ

[look3467]

Originally Posted by yakov91

7 is Gods number, 777
6 is the devils number, 666

Hebrew letter number gemetria for Jesus is 888.
English is 444.
God doubles twice before He brings things to pass.

Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

6 first man Adam, brought the flesh and death
6 second man Adam, brought sacrifice and life
6 third time, resurrected Christ, grants salvation to all mankind.

7 is the number of completion.

Peace>>>AJ

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by look3467

Why is it that there are so many 7's in the bible?

Early Christians had a fondness for numbers.... symbology.....according to St. Augustine (Tract. cxxiii, in Joan.), the number seven represented the totality of the Christian world.... others had different opinions, but I really don't give it much thought personally.