What about the 7-day creation story? (Earth, bible, trinity, Apostle)

[look3467]

Originally Posted by ready123

HI I am new to this can somebody tell me a little about the gospel.

Well, first, what all do you know, so that we may start there.
For example, are you aware of the four gospel books in the new testament?

Peace>>>AJ

[lockyfan]

Originally Posted by look3467

All sufferring and pain end at our death.

I'll refer you to the start of it all:
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

But your spirit (You) is what Christ came to purchase, and only God could do that.

By His purchase came the gift of God's righteiousness, we having nothing to do with it but to acept it.
Amo 5:7 Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,

The worm consumes all sin in Judgement and leaves us the righteousness of God.

Peace>>>AJ


Peace>>>AJ

Genesis 1:28
Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

Humans were supposed to reside upon the earth forever and then at

Genesis 2:16-17 “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

Humans were not going to die before they ate from the tree of knowledge. then it was a punishment for sin, if you sin you die.

John 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

It is said throughout the bible that the righteous will possess the earth.

the suffering and pain of the entire earth will be erased
Revelation 21:4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

[look3467]

Humans were supposed to reside upon the earth forever and then at

Genesis 2:16-17 “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

Humans were not going to die before they ate from the tree of knowledge. then it was a punishment for sin, if you sin you die.>>>lockyfan

When a baby is born, is it destined to die?
What if the baby dies before say the age of 12 months, what then is the state if it's soul?

Would it be similiar to the state of Adam before knowledge was gained?

Then again, what if the baby grows to the age of accountability, learns the difference between good and evil, would it be similiar to eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Would you say that at that point the child will be like god as per next verse:

Note this verse:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

At that point the child begins its journey, struggle to know and understand what relationship it has with the God of the universe.

The child is it's own kingdom, ruling as it see fit as like a god, over its own kingdom.

Now, you very well know that there can be but only one God, right?

Well, the many gods, meaning us, can not be unless we are in Him first.

Therefore we die spiritually and are in need of His saving.

Now you have a picture of what the sin is that befalls every living soul, which led to death of the spirit, or expulsion from the garden.

But Jesus came as God's representative as Adam, the second Adam to remove, do away with that death clause, and gift us with God's righteouness enabling us to enter into His glory.

We are now new creatures, a "New Adam" a spiritual Adam that will never die.

Ref:
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

A "new man"
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

There you have it, Gods wonderful works in our behalf, my, aren't we blessed?

Peace>>>AJ

[nawab]

what kind of funny answer is that one is god and trinity is three so god is one or three

Originally Posted by Super Universe

The universe is built on mathematical principles. One, three, five, seven, nine, and eleven are prime numbers.

One is God.

Three is the Trinity.

Seven is the universe.

Eleven is the dimensions.

[look3467]

Originally Posted by nawab

what kind of funny answer is that one is god and trinity is three so god is one or three

1.God the Father creator of all there is.
Encompasses the fall of mankind due to the tree of knowledge.

2.God the Son the Savior of all there is.
Encompasses all the sin that was ever committed in order to redeem the world by forgiveness.

3.God the Holy Spirit the comforter while in the flesh.
The promised deliverer becoming alive in our hearts as He the Holy Spirit renews our souls from within.
All 3 are but the same God in 3 different applications.

I understand you belief in Islam which acknowledges Jesus as just a profited.

To that I would say to you that your belief in God is covered by the blood of Jesus, so in that you are safe to believe in Islam.

One Key important point though, is that your belief so generate love, compassion and love for thy neighbor.

In doing so, there is absolutely no sin committed, but rather are walking with God.

Peace>>>AJ










If you study the bible, you will see all 3 applications of God in creation.

[nawab]

Dear Brother

Thanks for achknowledeging that, Beleive me brother Love is the word. We are told in the quran that the Christians are the nearest to you and they will understand your point because they are men devoted to learning. We are told this in the quran.

However, In Islam we do not beleive in the blood of Jesus or anyone. We do not have a Concept of Original Sin, Even the bible doesnt have. If you read Ezekiel 18:20 you will understand.

Jesus said that the only way to attain salvation is ,

Jesus PBUH said in Mathew 5:20 (KING JAMES): For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven

I want to ask how can Christians be better than the Jews by not keeping the commandments, please explain.

Just see that how can you compare a man with god when this answers the conflict

Job 25:4-6 (KING JAMES)
How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Again, brother, i apologise if i hurt anybodies feelings

[look3467]

Nawab,

Glad we are of one accord in the word love.

We do not have a Concept of Original Sin….

Let me explain this concept to you from a different angle.

Original sin is a term used to describe the condition that plagues all mankind. That condition is death!

How and why?

If we say and the bible and the Qur’an says that there can be but only one God, than all other gods are rejected or are as dead in relationship with the one true and only God.

If we look at Adam as the spirit of God, and Eve as the fleshly body, marry both together and we have a living soul.

Both have become as one.

Here is then the point at which death comes to Adam, when Adam acquires knowledge of good and evil, he becomes as like god.

That is not allowed but necessary in order for God to make mankind “after” or in the “likeness” of His image.

For here is the verse which states that: Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And you know the story; Adam and Eve eat of that fruit, and are cast out, and are as dead spiritually.

This then is where the concept of original sin comes from, original in the sense that all mankind is plagued with the same condition.

To prove my point, a baby just born is totally innocent, knows nothing except to suck milk from the mothers breasts.

That baby by similitude is Adam before the fall. Perfect in all respects except that it has not eaten of the fruit of the tree yet.

But as it grows, knowledge of good and evil will subtly take the child’s interest and it will partake of it.

Which when it does, it becomes as like god, to know good and evil.

Are you able to understand what I am saying?

God caused mankind to partake of the fruit of the tree ending in death of its spirit.

That condition befalls all mankind with no exceptions.

The only exception would be if God Himself would come down and become man.

Only than could God be righteous enough to be the one and only true God and live.

Such a man did exist!

Hear this: Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

That body is the Christ.

Now there can be many members of that body, but only one God.

1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Only then in that body can we exist as gods, but not God.

Hope that helps.

Peace>>>AJ

[nawab]

Dear Brother

Thanks for explaining, as for your question am i able to understanding i am not only learned in Islam but i have also studied the bible. So, i know basically what you are saying.

Now the question is that if Jesus is God or god, because they are different. I dont know if you know Greek or not but i beleive that you ought to know as a Christian, Greek is your basis of Christianity. All the 40,000 original Manuscripts were in Hebrew but now only available in Greek.

In the verse regarding the divinity of Christ in Gospel of John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, - this God is translated from Hotheous
and the Word was God. - this God is translated from Tauntheos
see this is not honest translation.you have created a different meaning. Jesus ought to get a small letter g but the Christians gave him a capital G which created a different meaning. God means God almighty and god means any god which is used for godly person.

Like Moses was a god to the pharoh and the Devil is the god of this world. they oughty have a capital G but the Christian scholars gave him a small letter g, Why , again this is not honest translation.

Jesus Christ confirms this in the bible in John 10: 22-39

22 At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem;
23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon.
24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.
26 “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 “I and the Father are one.”
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35 “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
37 “If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
39 Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.

This clearly denies Jesus claiming any sort of Divinity previously the Jews call them the children of God or gods, so whats the big deal if Jesus PBUH call himself son of God

[nawab]

By the way to conclude it is not logical that God almighty comes down in Human form for what purposes. Suppose if i create a new TV do i have to become a TV to understand the functions, advantages and disadvantages of the TV, no, what i do i write a Instruction Manual. that happens to be all the testaments we have Old, New and Last.

By the way, God was not affraid of Adam and Eve that he had to cast them out in order to avoid a invasion in the Heavens. He did it as a punishment, Both Adam & Eve repented and were both forgiven. Why would the whole humanity be born in sin for a sin that my great, great, great many greats great Grand father commited. It is absolutly not logical. We cannot put any Americans today on trial just because thier forefathers massacred the Red Indians.

They real problem which i have observed is that The Modern Christians are looking at a Jewish book through greek glasses, the bible contains many eastern Mettaphisis that the Westerners have no expirence too, in addition the Pioneers of the message of Jesus PBUH was the Greek and the romans, they made all the world to look at a eatern mettaphisis Jewish book through Greek glasses, the Christians are taking things literaly in the bible. See in the middle east we have our own way of expressing our message. If you read a Jewish book like a Jew there wont be any problem.

During my presentation if i had been rational or had hurt anyones feelings i apologise

Nawab