Apostasy (priest, ritual, moral, Earth, doom)

[joeboonda]

[quote=may;876985]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

I don't think an individual can become an apostate, for if they have truly trusted Jesus for salvation,

quote] a little leaven is all it needs , it starts with one but then when others listen and take on board the things that individual says it spreads like gangrene .
By [his] mouth the one who is an apostate brings his fellowman to ruin, but by knowledge are the righteous rescued..... proverbs 11;9
(Galatians 4:17) They zealously seek YOU, not in a fine way, but they want to shut YOU off [from me], that YOU may zealously seek them.

(1 Timothy 4:1) However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons,

(1 John 2:19) They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But [they went out] that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had beenof us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

They were never OF US, or they would have CONTINUED WITH US. But THEY WENT OUT, so it would be MANIFEST that THEY WERE NOT OF US. Get it?

[joeboonda]

[quote=Seyorni;878256]

Originally Posted by may

You're saying that it's impossible for someone to change his religious beliefs!? I've never heard anything so ridiculous! Why do missionaries go on missions if not to get people to abandon their old religion for a new on -- ie: to apostatize?

Why can't "...an individual become an apostate...?" You're saying the word, the very concept, is meaningless!

We look at it differently, that's all. When a person becomes born again, their spirit is regenerated, made alive, the Holy Spirit indwells, seals, gifts, guides, empowers them and they are a new creature, adopted into God's family, children of light and of God rather than children of darkness, wrath, and disobedience, its like turning from night to day! I am not speaking of sinless perfection, for we come to Christ as we are with all our sins and bad habits and attitudes, but then He begins His work in us, changing us from glory to glory as we grow in His grace. Look at George Foreman for example, the love of Christ pours out of the man, he even loves his opponents in the ring. He has been saved for well over 10 years, he is now an evangelist, he also is a great salesman and has his own church and a boxing gym for young men. He even returned to boxing after 10 years to become, against all odds and naysayers who said he was too old, to become the Heavyweight Champion of the World again! He is completely changed. Yes, some of his beliefs may change or become refined or whatever over time, but he will never become an apostate. An apostate is someone who was "with us but not OF US." Christian in name only but who never trusted Christ, who never was born again. Man, once a person is born again they will never be the same again, haleluia!

[Seyorni]

[quote=joeboonda;878917]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

We look at it differently, that's all. When a person becomes born again, their spirit is regenerated, made alive, the Holy Spirit indwells, seals, gifts, guides, empowers them and they are a new creature, adopted into God's family, children of light and of God rather than children of darkness, wrath, and disobedience, its like turning from night to day! I am not speaking of sinless perfection, for we come to Christ as we are with all our sins and bad habits and attitudes, but then He begins His work in us, changing us from glory to glory as we grow in His grace. Look at George Foreman for example, the love of Christ pours out of the man, he even loves his opponents in the ring. He has been saved for well over 10 years, he is now an evangelist, he also is a great salesman and has his own church and a boxing gym for young men. He even returned to boxing after 10 years to become, against all odds and naysayers who said he was too old, to become the Heavyweight Champion of the World again! He is completely changed. Yes, some of his beliefs may change or become refined or whatever over time, but he will never become an apostate. An apostate is someone who was "with us but not OF US." Christian in name only but who never trusted Christ, who never was born again. Man, once a person is born again they will never be the same again, haleluia!

So? -- turning to Christianity is still apostasy. The word is not meaningless. If you abandon your religion, even to adopt the One True Religion, you're an apostate.

"We look at it differently..." -- No you don't. The Muslims believe the same thing. Every religion believes the same thing. Your only claim is that Christianity is exceptional; in a class by itself; the One True Religion, and that apostasy from another religion to the truth of Christianity is fundamentally different from the abandonment of Christianity to embrace the truth of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, &c.

[Seyorni]

Hey -- that's not my original post. There's some kind of software wrror here.

[may]

[quote=Seyorni;878256]

Originally Posted by may

You're saying that it's impossible for someone to change his religious beliefs!? I've never heard anything so ridiculous! Why do missionaries go on missions if not to get people to abandon their old religion for a new on -- ie: to apostatize?

Why can't "...an individual become an apostate...?" You're saying the word, the very concept, is meaningless!

individuals CAN become apostates , that is what the scriptures confirm. it wasnt me who said they could not .