Who believes, a small group of people can change the world? (Revelation, bible)

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by wizanda

Easy teh books tell us what it is....yet people will need to change for the better to understand it...

Um... what books?

[wizanda]

Bible, Quran, Gita, Upanishads, Dhammapada, Pazand, Zand-Avesta, etc…

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by wizanda

Bible, Quran, Gita, Upanishads, Dhammapada, Pazand, Zand-Avesta, etc…

Suddenly it's a much larger group who is fixing the world.


Edit: I meant less smaller. *sigh*

[wizanda]

If it is only those with a mustard seed of faith, then very few...

Its like this:
Try and dam a public stream, that you can see erosion will eventual decay the bank…. so you decide years before to change the course of the stream.....
When you were small it took you longer too move big rocks and often couldn't...
So then you wait until older and then go back and keep building the dam....
Yet problem is many people see the dam and think it will cause a change....
So they set it back again, not realizing....
Problem is, the change that is coming makes the bank widen each year, as the stream doesn't go around corners, it moves along bends....
So since man changed the course to begin with...
Maybe they all should take a look at the overall picture of what is happening to our bank, the people and our children which will walk on it...or will they?....
Books are one! People are not?…
Stream once flowed along the valley, man dumped rubbish to make a curve to suit him self….flood waters change.
Changing streams flows is easy, current is fun to play with, yet stopping or blocking a path isn’t done……
So why do people keep doing that or just removing the whole thing….
So now the bank has almost gone, as England is flooding and instead the queen on her throne got worse.….

[Sonic247]

Originally Posted by wizanda

Did they? or did 3000 peoples after Christ death still talking about it and then after even more seeds got planted, as in more people talking about more dramatic deaths, making more of an impact.....
Yet does the true Christ remain or do we have implanted seeds mixed in with it?
If we have divided in our own house, where is that from?
So is there any chance of people taking notice and investigating, for the good of all?

The true Christ does remain because it was the work of God not of men, the message of the gospel is simple but can never be fully understood Christ came to save smart and dumb people alike, there is not some secret code in the Bible that says the sacrifice of Christ is the teaching of Balaam or that Paul was evil after he was converted. It started with just Jesus, a small group did "turn the world upside down" but in another sense Jesus himself turned the world upside down.

[wizanda]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

The true Christ does remain because it was the work of God not of men, the message of the gospel is simple but can never be fully understood Christ came to save smart and dumb people alike, there is not some secret code in the Bible that says the sacrifice of Christ is the teaching of Balaam or that Paul was evil after he was converted. It started with just Jesus, a small group did "turn the world upside down" but in another sense Jesus himself turned the world upside down.

Mic 6:5-8
(5) O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from Shittim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD.
(6) Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
(7) Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
(8) He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Mat 9:13
(13) But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Hos 6:6
(6) For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Mat 12:7
(7) But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the innocent.

Mat 23:18
(18) And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the sacrifice (gift) that is upon it, he is guilty.

[Sonic247]

[quote=wizanda;862795]Mic 6:5-8

(5) O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from Shittim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD.

Which is that Israel couldn't be cursed by him because they were blessed by God

(6) Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
(7) Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
(8) He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Worship is from the heart, God is more impressed with us loving righteousness then offering a sheep or goat, we aren't required to make a sacrifice (although it would be reasonable to give our lives a living sacrifice. But your taking verses out of context, the sacrifice of Jesus is stressed over and over throughout the Bible-

Isaiah 53:10- Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, (children, offspring) he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

the pleasure of the Lord is when people get saved, and it's not because of anything we have done it's what he did for us.

Mat 9:13
(13) But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He was telling the Pharisees that they were following specific rules and traditions, but their hearts were hardened and they forgot about loving God and other people, a cow or sheep does not really love people and neither does the person sacrificing it neccasarily love people or God but Jesus voluntarly laying down his own life is the ultimate example of both.


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18) And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the sacrifice (gift) that is upon it, he is guilty.

This isn't a statement Jesus said that that is what the Pharisees said, here is the verse in it's context-

Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon

[wizanda]

Isa 53:6
(6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:12
(12) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

So who says anything about sharing with peoples, who think it ok to kill you?