Messianic Jew versus Christian (Messiah, theist, Jewish, Christianity, Christians)

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Victor

If memory serves me correct, what you speak of here is moshiach ben David. A political leader descended from King David, that will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. Then you have moshiach ben Yossef who acts as precursor to moshiach ben David. Neither is godlike or divine, but moshiach ben Yossef seems to be more of the Christian view of Christ then moshiach ben David.

Moshiach Ben Yossef
http://www.moshiach.com/discover/tutorials/moshiach_ben_yossef.php

Moshiach Ben David
http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm

Initially, more of what we Christians see as Messiah (prophetically speaking) were held by early Judaism. There is more then enough evidence to indicate that it was reinterpreted by Jewish Rabbi Rashi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashi

Scholars such as Raphael Patai show this in some of his works if anyone is interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Patai

reinterpreted it may be...but it doesn't take away from the fact that Jesus is not a jewish Moshiach, even by the definition of the such a role at the time of his ministry, and neither the moshiach ben yosef or ben david have to have supernatural abilities nor will they be "divine" in any way.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by jewscout

reinterpreted it may be...but it doesn't take away from the fact that Jesus is not a jewish Moshiach, even by the definition of the such a role at the time of his ministry, and neither the moshiach ben yosef or ben david have to have supernatural abilities nor will they be "divine" in any way.

Isn't that what I said?
Although He may not be a Jewish Moshiach, He is Jewish and the Divine Moshiach to us. I'm perfectly content with the expectations while disagreeing about whether He was Divine or not. Nothing new to you, I'm sure.

[Hope]

The very first Christians were basically Messianic Jews.

There is a Messianic Jewish congregation here in Richmond, Virginia. They have a very informative website, in which they explain what they believe and why.

http://www.tikvatisrael.com/about/me...c_judasim.html

[Hope]

I personally don't see Judaism as being contrary to Christianity. I went to a Jewish synagogue several years ago, and really liked what I saw. My first boss was Jewish, and being around him gave me great insight into what it was like being Jewish. Most Christians that I know (myself included) have a deep love for the Jewish people. While we may differ over who the Messiah is/was, we worship the same God, and we share many of the same Scriptures.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Victor

Isn't that what I said?
Although He may not be a Jewish Moshiach, He is Jewish and the Divine Moshiach to us. I'm perfectly content with the expectations while disagreeing about whether He was Divine or not. Nothing new to you, I'm sure.

no, nothing new at all.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Hope

The very first Christians were basically Messianic Jews.

There is a Messianic Jewish congregation here in Richmond, Virginia. They have a very informative website, in which they explain what they believe and why.

http://www.tikvatisrael.com/about/me...c_judasim.html

what's funny is their shul used to be my orthodox shul years ago
they even have "Bet Yisrael" still carved above their door.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Hope

I personally don't see Judaism as being contrary to Christianity. I went to a Jewish synagogue several years ago, and really liked what I saw. My first boss was Jewish, and being around him gave me great insight into what it was like being Jewish. Most Christians that I know (myself included) have a deep love for the Jewish people. While we may differ over who the Messiah is/was, we worship the same God, and we share many of the same Scriptures.

when speaking in generalities there are a vast number of similarities between the 2 faiths, however, there are many differences in the faiths understanding of G-d, man's role in the world, the role of messiah and the role of mitzvot.

how many sects of christianity hold that the Law is no longer in effect?

[NoahideHiker]

Originally Posted by jewscout

when speaking in generalities there are a vast number of similarities between the 2 faiths, however, there are many differences in the faiths understanding of G-d, man's role in the world, the role of messiah and the role of mitzvot.

how many sects of christianity hold that the Law is no longer in effect?

Very true. I feel the biggest misinterpretation christianity has about Judaism is that it is an open ended religion, that it is somehow insufficiant, lacking or that it would change somehow. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say salvation is dependant upon the Moshiach. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say the law will be replaced or nullified. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say that Judaism would be replaced by another religion. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say the Moshiach would be a g0d/man.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

Very true. I feel the biggest misinterpretation christianity has about Judaism is that it is an open ended religion, that it is somehow insufficiant, lacking or that it would change somehow. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say salvation is dependant upon the Moshiach. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say the law will be replaced or nullified. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say that Judaism would be replaced by another religion. Nowhere in the Jewish bible does it say the Moshiach would be a g0d/man.

i think the bigger misconception is that Judaism is just like Christianity sans-jesus.