All's Quiet on the Western Front. (ritual, beliefs, doctrine, experience)

[morning-star]

Originally Posted by lamplighter

Seems Satanists are one of the least politicaly active groups around, why you hear about secularists and christians bickering all the time. But maybe fundie christians have more to fear from secularists and there evil logic. Though one would think the fundie christians would be more proactive in trying to prevent satanism from spreading. So do satanists keep there beliefs hidden sticking to a label of just atheist/theist or do you experience conflict on a regular basis?

It depends really down to the individual to be politically involved or not. you not going to hear of Satanist ‘bickering’ with some other faith trying to put there influence in politics simply because there are not as many Satanists as there are Christians etc.

As for hiding being a Satanist; isn’t one of the major Satanism things to be proud of who you are and to speak your mind freely?

Personally I am careful as to who I tell that I am a luciferian, I know from experience if your going to tell some one be prepared to explain what you believe in full or you may immanently get associated with ‘devil worship’ and evil sacrifices etc.

[Lux ex Tenebris]

By most reasonable observations, our "Christian" head of state has proven himself quite adept at making a mess. I wonder, why do you think an openly Satanic politician would be worse? Is it perhaps because political expediency and self-interest would not be comfortably couched in an air of noxious self-righteousness nor pushed further afield by the complete abdication of personal responsibility implied by a "divine mandate?" Maybe your blinkered perception is popular because most would like to believe their actions "good" in the face of all evidence to the contrary. By all means, continue to spread the "good word" of Christian government, because we all know statehouses are not already full to bursting with virulent lies.

[Lux ex Tenebris]

By the way, I am more than willing to debate this issue in the proper forum, and should the mods feel the need to move anything I have written above to a more debate oriented room, there will certainly be no complaints from me. Occasionally, I find some statements too ludicrous to ignore.

[Shadow Wolf]

I remember reading of a Satanist politician in Minnesota who plans on running for governor, who is running under the "Vampyrs, Witches, and Pagans" group.
I can't find his homepage, but here is the wiki article about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathon_Sharkey

[Lux ex Tenebris]

Originally Posted by Luke Wolf

I remember reading of a Satanist politician in Minnesota who plans on running for governor, who is running under the "Vampyrs, Witches, and Pagans" group.
I can't find his homepage, but here is the wiki article about him.

Ah, "The Impaler?" For me, that guy falls into the "people I could never take seriously" category.

[Shadow Wolf]

Ah, "The Impaler?" For me, that guy falls into the "people I could never take seriously" category.

From what I found, he really did run. Allthough I agree he seems rather odd, to the point I couldn't take him seriously once I dug up information on him.
Is thier anyone from Minnesota that can verify that he did infact run for Governor? Myself, I cannot recall if he really ran for a position in Indiana or not.

[lamplighter]

Certainly it would be political suicide to anounce that you were a Satanist, but just as athiests were (and still are to a degree) but being an athiest is alot more acceptable now. But all the Satanists I've personaly known have done very little to curb public opinion. Why I think I've done more to inform the public it's not a bunch of people carving symbols into pets and killing virgins in the name of Satan. Though granted the general public is dumb so one could easily loose hope.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by morning-star

Personally I am careful as to who I tell that I am a luciferian, I know from experience if your going to tell some one be prepared to explain what you believe in full or you may immanently get associated with ‘devil worship’ and evil sacrifices etc.

It is sad, that people automatically jump to conclusions and sterotype people with uncommon religious beliefs. If people would stop and listen, the world would be a tad better place.

[MisterBible]

I have never come across any satanists myself, though I do have a few friends who have studied it out of pure interest. lot of the tenants sounds reasonable. I particularly like Satanic statement number 7

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

I've often said. "The most horrible machination of the human mind is it's ability to justify anything." I think that hovers around the same Idea.

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by MisterBible

I've often said. "The most horrible machination of the human mind is it's ability to justify anything." I think that hovers around the same Idea.

*nod* It's a very similar concept. I think you'll find that Satanists see it as a blessing and a curse, so to speak. Welcome to the forum, by the way.