Religion and Magick (rituals, reject, Earth, pray, spiritual)

[Rejected]

Do you think it’s possible to tap into the power/essence/knowledge of your deity through intercessory methods such as rituals, tarot, spells, etc?

Why or why not.
If yes, how does it work?
What results have you achieved through the use of magick?

[Karl R]

Originally Posted by Rejected

Do you think it’s possible to tap into the power/essence/knowledge of your deity through intercessory methods such as rituals, tarot, spells, etc?

Like prayer, laying on hands, or chanting? Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Rejected

Why or why not.

I believe god will intercede on my behalf, and sometimes I feel that I need that assistance.

Originally Posted by Rejected

If yes, how does it work?

Do any external procedures that help you focus (before or during).
Ask god for something.
Believe.

Originally Posted by Rejected

What results have you achieved through the use of magick?

Improved health. Improved emotional health. I got bailed out of a couple impending conflicts. And I got one miracle.

I believe magick is just prayer with props. I generally prefer not to use props, but that's a personal preference.

[Silicon Hero]

No, because My God does not condone those actions. And personally I am a skeptic on them.

[Doktormartini]

Although I haven't done it, I think it's possible and ok. Well, obviously as long as you aren't doing Black Magick.

Sure, the Bible says it's wrong, but seriously, it's not. Just because it says it is doesn't mean it is. The Bible says Astrology is evil, yet that is probably how the earth's lands were discovered.

[kai]

Originally Posted by Silicon Hero

No, because My God does not condone those actions. And personally I am a skeptic on them.

i would consider all the ritual in christian religion magic the prayers the mass its all the request of intercession by the practitioner to the diety, whats the difference?

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by Karl R

I believe magick is just prayer with props. I generally prefer not to use props, but that's a personal preference.

You don't have to use props with magick. Also, there are a lot of prayers and other Christian rituals that do use props.

Originally Posted by Doktormartini

Although I haven't done it, I think it's possible and ok. Well, obviously as long as you aren't doing Black Magick.

Why should this be obvious? It really depends on what religion you are as to whether it would be prohibited or not. Define Black Magick. Most magickians I know no longer rely on such over-simplified concepts as White and Black Magick.

As for me, I use meditation to commune with Lucifer and I use Tarot for divination. I've found both to be very effective.

[Draka]

Originally Posted by Rejected

Do you think it’s possible to tap into the power/essence/knowledge of your deity through intercessory methods such as rituals, tarot, spells, etc?

Why or why not.
If yes, how does it work?
What results have you achieved through the use of magick?

Of course.

Because it is merely a physical way to ease communication with the spiritual. Use of conduits so to speak.

By allowing yourself and the object/prayer/ritual you are using to become used as a portal for the Divine, which runs through everything anyway.

Healing, peace, karma enacted, guidance, and so on and so forth.

[Rejected]

Originally Posted by kai

i would consider all the ritual in christian religion magic the prayers the mass its all the request of intercession by the practitioner to the diety, whats the difference?

This is the point I was getting at, I just wanted to see what the general opinion was first.

Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 19:31; Leviticus 20:6; Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:9-14

All these passages condemn the use of sorcery, mediums, divination and witchcraft, punishable with death.

1 Samuel 28:7-25

In this passage Saul goes to consult a medium after the loss of his kingdom and faith.

The Qu' ran speaks of two angel teaching men sorcery, but tells that nothing good can come of it, that those who use it have sold their souls. Later in the texts it only mentions magicians in a negative light.

Now we have groups like the Golden Dawn, OTO, the A.-.A.-., and the Thule Society, who draw a lot of their influence form Qabbala and the workings of John Dee (who claimed to converse with Angels and produced the infamous Enochian Keys).

Bearing all this in mind the Roman Catholic church along with other protestant denominations, the Jewish Qabbala, and possibly Islam and the Orthodox church (never did my homework on these two) use prescribed prayers, rituals, candles, incense, and music, (not to mention sacramental wine) to commune with God and make their will manifest. Ask any practitioner and they will tell you that this is a text-book definition of Ritual Magick.

Most of the Christians I’ve talked to on the subject have given me mixed answers. Some think its nonsense. Others believe in it and denounce it as evil. Then you have the fundi-Mentals who say that Dungeons & Dragons and Harry Potter are actual textbooks on satanic sorcery. (Newsflash for these guys, I have done my homework on both of these subjects, and demonology these things ain't)

So this begs the question, why does the church forbid the use of these practices, on fear of death, if there is no power in them.
And for that matter why does the church use them at all themselves?

Is there power in these practices?

Can one tap into the power if God with the Enochian Keys?
Is it possible to command the 72 Demon princes imprisoned by Solomon?

Or is this just another case of the church saying “do as I say, not as I do,” and more ghost stories to scare the kiddies straight?

[EnhancedSpirit]

Originally Posted by Silicon Hero

No, because My God does not condone those actions. And personally I am a skeptic on them.

This is only because of translation. I would like to make note that the word witchcraft in the bible is translated from the Greek word pharmakia (the root word for pharmaceuticals). And the verse. "shall not suffer a witch to live", the word suffer means to employee, or pay for services.

The catholic church burns candles and incense, and pray to entities other than God. (Mother Mary, Saints, and Angels). I see no difference in this and a wiccan lighting candles and incense and asking Gaia, or any other Spiritual Mother for guidence.

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Magic or mysticism is apart of everyday life for the hindu that understands the difference between matter and jiva....chanting,prayer,and meditation helps bring me closer to krishna everyday in its own way.