secular humanism and your religion (ritual, moral, Earth, tradition)

[robtex]

Below is the humanist manefesto III

1) Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.

2) Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change

3) Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.

4) Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideal

5) Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.

6) Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness

Which aspects of this published list fits within your religion and which does not? Why and why not?
http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php

[Green Gaia]

Well, this will come as a shock to no one, but secular humanism fits in extremely well with Unitarian Universalism. I would say the only difference between SH and UU is that UU leaves open the possibility of a divine or spiritual connection. But UU still asserts that is upon human beings to make the world and ourselves better, no one else, not even a god is going to do it for us.

I'm sure you've read this before, but I will share it again from the UUA's Principles and Purposes:

The living tradition which we share draws from many sources:

• Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
• Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
• Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
• Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
• Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
• Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.

[Jayhawker Soule]

There is a reason that it's called the "Humanist Manifesto" rather than the "Secular Humanist Manifesto".

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by robtex

Below is the humanist manefesto III

1) Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.

2) Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change

3) Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.

4) Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideal

5) Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.

6) Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness

Which aspects of this published list fits within your religion and which does not? Why and why not?
http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php

I'd say only the first point fits in with Asatru. The rest of the points are based primarily on an idealism we simply do not share.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Deut. 10:19

There is a reason that it's called the "Humanist Manifesto" rather than the "Secular Humanist Manifesto".

So we are dealing with Humanist Manifesto then ?

(I ask, because the thread title says 'secular' whilst the question (and your post Deut) points to humanism. (let me know if you want the thread title changed).

1) Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.

Fits in the way that "Knowledge of the world" has no spiritual conotations; from the purely tangible aspect, it fits. It is logical.

2) Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change

Fits , because we know that to be the truth, from observation.

3) Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.

Fits, because it is logical and morally correct.

4) Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideal

Fits because true pleasure and well-being stems from doing works for the comunity.

5) Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships

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Fits - purely logical part of human makeup.

6) Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness

Fits , because it is logical that if we all work for one purpose which is universally accepted as being good, we will be happy.

[Engyo]

Originally Posted by robtex

Below is the humanist manefesto III

1) Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.

Buddhism doesn't dispute these, but adds awakening from one's own illusions & ego.

2) Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change

Buddhism doesn't argue this either, but would classify the second portion as not really relevant knowledge.

3) Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.

Buddhism doesn't dispute these, but adds awakening from one's own illusions & ego.

4) Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideal

Buddhism is in agreement, except perhaps in the definition of what the humane ideal is exactly.

5) Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.

No argument, but with the caveat that attachment to such relationships can lead to suffering or dukkha.

6) Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness

Again, no disagreement, with again a possibly different definition of what may benefit society.

Which aspects of this published list fits within your religion and which does not? Why and why not?

http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php

Answered above.........