Did Jesus claim Himself to be God? (Earth, Messiah, disciples)

[nawab]

We all are first and last our our own after me there wont be a second me, like you after you there wont be a second you. every one from Adam to the last person who will be born before day of reckoning will all be the first and the last. I hope this part is clear, eastern expressions,

[nawab]

we all know when we eat too much we have strange dreams, how can you go around preaching that someone dreamed about Jesus and this is his Dream, How can peoples salvation depend on others dreams

[kai]

Originally Posted by nawab

we all know when we eat too much we have strange dreams, how can you go around preaching that someone dreamed about Jesus and this is his Dream, How can peoples salvation depend on others dreams

but its ok to claim the temple mount because of mohameds dream?

[nawab]

No, we dont claim the temple Mount because of Muhammad PBUHs Dream we want it because we conqured it from the Christians, Sorry we didnt conqured it the Christians surrendered it and left.
We have defended the land from Christian forces ever since, no matter it was the Popes forces, Richard the lion heart we send them back to England and france. it should be our land now. Can any muslim today claim Spain as his homeland.

Later we gave reffuge to the Homeless pityful Jews because they were kicked around in Europe and half of their families were massacred by Nazis, so we opened our doors and paid for the crimes of the Germans and europeans. In return these reffugges come and claim our lands. and when we fight back for our home we are labeled as terrorists. sorry we dont claim it we own it and inshallah we will get it back.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by nawab

this is just an expression my brothers like when you say something stupid and i will say my God what are you saying. i do say to you my God but i am not calling you God understand this the Eastern way of expression out of supprise, i have said before you are not familiar with eastern expressions.

Nice try but no . Thomas is stating Jesus is the Lord and God. If Jesus wasn't he would have corrected Thomas immediately. Quite to the contrary, he accepted Thomas's belief that he was God and clearly says that those who have not seen this evidence are to be blessed. Perhaps your understanding of eastern expression is skewed.

Even if Jesus was called my Lord and my God, did Jesus said OK i accept. dont quote verses first tell me about the verses above first and then you quote new verses i gave about 10 verses you give 2 verses. first you have to remove my misconception and then you have to indoctrinate me with a new idea. This is how you do things, explain the above verses and then quote new ones. Jesus is being called a worm in Job 25 and you are saying a worm is God.

Bildad

1 Then Bildad the Shuhite replied: 2 "Dominion and awe belong to God;
he establishes order in the heights of heaven.
3 Can his forces be numbered?
Upon whom does his light not rise?
4 How then can a man be righteous before God?
How can one born of woman be pure?
5 If even the moon is not bright
and the stars are not pure in his eyes,
6 how much less man, who is but a maggot—
a son of man, who is only a worm!"

I fail to see where Jesus is compared to a worm in this passage


"Dominion and awe belong to God;
he establishes order in the heights of heaven."

Bildad in verse 6 is describing humanity not God. You really need to brush-up on your reading skills.

Jesus did not blessed his words and his testimony he said you are blessed because you have seen Jesus (in simple english not his testomony was blessed but his sight he saw Jesus and beleived he was alive not that he was God) it is simple and clear.

"My Lord and my God" it's sounds clear to me.

Please clarify who wrote the Book of Revelations and when was it written

Are you not sure who wrote Revelation or are you just being petty?

[nawab]

Why would Jesus correct Thomas when he could understand him absolutely, you didnt understand Thomas the mistake is not from Thomas but from Christians who made it that way to prove thier point no matter how much you try to alter the message of Jesus his main Message will always till eternity be there and that is the First commandment, Thomas is expressing out of supprise my God and my Lord, this is in Frenzy he is saying like today we use the espression Oh my God, and oh my Lord, oh my goodness, we all use these expressions everyday. Just becasue he said in one place doesnt mean that he is God, how about the other verses where he is telling you that he is not the main Hero , the main Hero is God, I(Jesus) turned on the switch but the electricity is coming from the Powerhouse (God almight)> i am sorry if my examples are a bit childesh because my Economics teacher have taught me to keep the examples in Apples and Oranges, they are much easier to understand, i am sure you guys would not mind the words but focus on the message

[kai]

Originally Posted by nawab

No, we dont claim the temple Mount because of Muhammad PBUHs Dream we want it because we conqured it from the Christians, Sorry we didnt conqured it the Christians surrendered it and left.
We have defended the land from Christian forces ever since, no matter it was the Popes forces, Richard the lion heart we send them back to England and france. it should be our land now. Can any muslim today claim Spain as his homeland.
so give it back you stole it, and you were thrown out of spain by the christians after you invaded it, how do you like them apples ?
Later we gave reffuge to the Homeless pityful Jews because they were kicked around in Europe and half of their families were massacred by Nazis, so we opened our doors and paid for the crimes of the Germans and europeans. In return these reffugges come and claim our lands. and when we fight back for our home we are labeled as terrorists. sorry we dont claim it we own it and inshallah we will get it back.

its not your land you just said you took it off the christians make up your mind

[Bishadi]

Ok-- how would jews define "the First and the Last"?

Here's another
Rev 1:8
8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

How would the Jews define "Alpha and the Omega", "Lord God" or "Almighty

Well Jews, Muslims and Christians each have a variation to what God is to life.

Same problem exists; each claim to be with God is perfection, and to be without God’s presence is hell or the place not to be, when in each rendition God is elsewhere to man’s daily existence; a separate entity of nature, mankind and the universe itself (he created it all).

In a pure reality of existence; all of nature; the universe; all mass, all energy, all time; is the entangled totality of the universe; the total; God.

The alpha-omega, the beginning the ending.

In the East there is a term ‘yin and yang’…. Indicating the interrelation of all things. “when one extreme reaches it peak, it births the seed of its opposite; the continued motion of …” ………… God; Existence; mass and energy within time; (change).

To evolve and develop by learning the knowledge passed down through-out the time of man's words and contributions, then to know the descriptions of both science and theology, then to recognize the interrelation of all things can be real in actually physical truth.

This interrelation of all things can be viewed in any environment. From the lion and tiger in its habitat, to the birds the bees, in theirs. All cycles of interrelation between life, the environment and time, is all of the existence of God; the total; in time.

As time progresses, evolution exists as a pure form of life’s purpose; to continue. We eat to continue, we associate to continue, we make love to continue all within the total environment of existence; God.

The primary difference is neither of the Abrahamic sects shares any relation to nature as being in relation to God. Mankind created the idea that man is above, better and to make his own use of nature. Need anyone share how incorrect that is? Just look at what western ideals have done to our earth.

Since reality exists in nature pure and true, then any isolation from nature and the perfect interrelation with God; is a self prescribed isolation in itself. Any rendition given by man to suggest we are above or better than is simply creating a barrier within the minds of people isolating them from reality; the truth.

Remember mankind 'created' every word ever written. And in true form JC nor Mohammed ever read a single page or book that claims them to be any more special than any other man ever born.

The difference is they both choose to contribute what knowledge was availible at the time with the eyes of compassion between man, nature and god but no man is above another in any manner except by his own ability to choose. The contributors give of their own energy for others; and as you read the work, see their ever lasting life.

Each live in what they do!

[alexander garcia]

The letter (J) is about 400 years old. That is a fact. Or is there any one that can dispute that? So are you all saying that you think that some one 1600 earlier was named JESUS?

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by alexander garcia

The letter (J) is about 400 years old. That is a fact. Or is there any one that can dispute that? So are you all saying that you think that some one 1600 earlier was named JESUS?

Does that apply to Jews? Judaism, Jisrael and the josen ones?