Did Jesus claim Himself to be God? (Earth, Messiah, disciples)

[Bishadi]

Two things to consider;

Mark 10 17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God; 19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

From JC's (per se) quote.

as well, the promises in Daniel, Isaiah and revelations did not occur. Peace upon the earth, has not occurred.

So that final 'revealing' is when knowledge combines to offer understanding equally to all mankind.

[yousaf]

if you lok at john ch. 14 v.28: my father is greater than i
john ch.10 v. 29: my father is greater than all
john ch. 5 v.30: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

[nawab]

Let me add some more verses for your brother Yousaf

Jesus his Teaching of the One Almighty God

Mark 12:28-29
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ( If Jesus came to teach something Trinity, this was the right moment to educate)

John 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Miracles of Jesus is not a proof of divinity
Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know ( st Peter who hold the Keys to Heaven is testifying that Jesus is a man approved by God)

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(If False Christ can perform Miracles whats so great that Jesus performed miracles)

Jesus himself did not beleived in Miracles, Matthew 12:39 - An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign

Guys read the story of Lazarus, the Christians are boasting that Jesus gave life to the dead, it is very clear in John 11:40-44

40Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

41Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Remarks: after reading the Lazarus story does it sounds like a Prophet seeking Gods Aid or a Co-God seeking another Co-Gods aid.

Description of God according to the Bible
Job 25:4-6
4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

5 Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. 6How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
this is a beautiful description of mans incapability to be comparred with God Almighty

Any Person who perform In Jesus Name is sinful
Matthew 7: 21-22
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.\

(may I ask who does prophesing in the name of Jesus, who do wonderful works in the name of Jesus, who cast out devils in the name of Jesus, i dont think it is the Jews, Hindus or Muslims its you Christians)

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by nawab

Let me add some more verses for your brother Yousaf

Jesus his Teaching of the One Almighty God

Mark 12:28-29
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ( If Jesus came to teach something Trinity, this was the right moment to educate)

John 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Miracles of Jesus is not a proof of divinity
Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know ( st Peter who hold the Keys to Heaven is testifying that Jesus is a man approved by God)

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(If False Christ can perform Miracles whats so great that Jesus performed miracles)

Jesus himself did not beleived in Miracles, Matthew 12:39 - An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign

Guys read the story of Lazarus, the Christians are boasting that Jesus gave life to the dead, it is very clear in John 11:40-44

40Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

41Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Remarks: after reading the Lazarus story does it sounds like a Prophet seeking Gods Aid or a Co-God seeking another Co-Gods aid.

Description of God according to the Bible
Job 25:4-6
4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

5 Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. 6How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
this is a beautiful description of mans incapability to be comparred with God Almighty

Any Person who perform In Jesus Name is sinful
Matthew 7: 21-22
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.\

(may I ask who does prophesing in the name of Jesus, who do wonderful works in the name of Jesus, who cast out devils in the name of Jesus, i dont think it is the Jews, Hindus or Muslims its you Christians)

17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Who is John talking about?

[nawab]

I dont understand, how many verses did i posted why should your one verse superceed all these verses which are posted by me and Yousaf. You should beleive in the bible as a whole not one or two verses. so it still doesnt say that he is God or Co-God, it didnt say he is Divine, if God can save Lazarus through Jesus why cant God save Jesus directly. the main problem with your translations are that you are not looking at a jewish book like a Jew, you are looking at it with Greek and Roman glasess. this book the bible contains alot of eastern mettaphyssis (eastern expressions which the europeans have no expirience to, If you look at it with Jewish glasses there wont be any problem

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by nawab

I dont understand, how many verses did i posted why should your one verse superceed all these verses which are posted by me and Yousaf. You should beleive in the bible as a whole not one or two verses. so it still doesnt say that he is God or Co-God, it didnt say he is Divine, if God can save Lazarus through Jesus why cant God save Jesus directly. the main problem with your translations are that you are not looking at a jewish book like a Jew, you are looking at it with Greek and Roman glasess. this book the bible contains alot of eastern mettaphyssis (eastern expressions which the europeans have no expirience to, If you look at it with Jewish glasses there wont be any problem

Ok-- how would jews define "the First and the Last"?

Here's another
Rev 1:8
8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

How would the Jews define "Alpha and the Omega", "Lord God" or "Almighty"?

[uss_bigd]

yes he claimed he was God when he accepted Thomas statement of faith...

ask Jeremy Mason...

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

yes he claimed he was God when he accepted Thomas statement of faith...

ask Jeremy Mason...

Jesus Appears to Thomas

24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"
But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."
28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"