Let's define God. (Jesus, Earth, doom, hell, Revelation)

[Phoenix]

I believe that in order to dedicate my life to something, I first must know what it is. I have tried and tried to define God, but I couldn't, save for the following characteristics: Omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent, and incomprehensible.

I find it kind of odd to live for something I can't comprehend. If he's incomprehensible, then he can't be defined, thus making God just another word, such as eraglouyaitonafg or ritzyurntialfy.

If God is omniscient, he knows everything that will happen in the ***ure, including his own. If he knows his ***ure, then it is preset, thus he isn't omnipotent, because he can't change it. If he can change it, then he isn't omniscient, because he doesn't know for sure what our ***ure will be.

If he's omnibenevolent, then evil wouldn't exist. A loving God wouldn't allow all of the torments, tragedy, etc. that we have now. Some attribute that to evil, which is defined as the lack of God. Wait, if he's omnipresent, he's everywhere, thus effectively killing that attribute.

Well, we knocked out five characteristics, leaving us with none. Any other definitions of God would be glady accepted. If God doesn't know everything, can't do everything, allows evil, isn't everywhere, and can't be defined, then what kind of God is he to be devoted to?

Read the following assuming God is omniscient:

God created humans spontaneously knowing that Eve would eat the forbidden fruit and thus release sin into the world. Yet he didn't stop it. If he already knew it would happen, then he couldn't have been testing us. Consider this: I taped the last SuperBowl and watched it 3,000 times over the course of five years, memorizing everything about it. I watch it with a friend and bet my house, car, wife, and money on the losing team. After my friend wins, I get mad at him. Is that logical? Well, God created us, knowing full and well we would sin, then, after a few generations, acted like he was genuinely upset, and flooded the world, killing all humans save for one family. I know more than one righteous family existed back then, so saving one and killing everybody else seems kind of cruel and twisted. He also knows which babies will grow up to be people that go to hell, yet lets them live anyway. Kind of like me knowing a friend would be killed by a mob in two weeks, yet me letting him go on, instead of trying to divert the problem. God could divert it by.. stillborns. Hey, I'd rather have a stillborn if I were a woman than a kid that was doomed to hell to suffer for all eternity. And isn't Revelations a little too harsh? After all the righteous go to heaven, the remaining have to suffer near death and, in my opinion, judgments worse than death. Like, three-fourths, I believe, will die, while the remaining get to live with Jesus for one thousand years. I think some miracles would suffice.. but no! We have to suffer locust plagues, horses that ******e sulfur and fire, global earthquakes, and meteor showers. And even with that, there will remain unbelievers. Omnipotent? I think not.

There's my take on Christianity. Respond as you see fit.

[Lightkeeper]

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[codiegrl_27]

Phoenix,
Everyone wonders about those things. No one really can have all those questions answered until we die and find out for ourselves. From disscusions at my youth group I've heard a lot of different opions about these things. What I believe is that though God is God he can't solve everything for us. It's hard for me to explain my thoughts because I can think them but they wont come out right. But I think God lets these things happen so we can learn from our mistakes and become stronger people. Its a hard thing to believe in. My friend and I talked about this exact thing you wrote about many times. It's hard to believe when all these things are going on in this world, but you just have to have faith and believe God is doing the right thing and he has a purpose for it. It may not seem right, but that is what faith is. I guess he could be testing our faith too. With all of this going on, will we still believe in him and trust him? It's a hard thing and i struggle with it, but i keep on praying. So just keep up the faith and someday you'll find out what all this is about.

[Phoenix]

It's F then U then T then U then R then E. fa-YOO-ture

Well, I don't want to devote my life to something I find corrupt, cruel, and twisted with the promise of understanding him when I die. I think by then it will be a "little" too late.

[Mr Spinkles]

I guess he could be testing our faith too.

But God (supposedly) already knows what what will happen, so why does He bother carrying out the test? Seems like a waste of time...

[Lightkeeper]

***Mod Post***

A reminder that this is not a debate forum. The subject is let's define God.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

***Mod Post***

A reminder that this is not a debate forum. The subject is let's define God.

No, the title asks the definition of God. The opening post deals with the POE - and poorly at that. Be that as it may ...

God: an entity capable of abrogating natural law in one or more ways.

[Mr Spinkles]

Deut-- shouldn't we include that the entity is the Creator of all things in our definition?

[Allan]

Lets Define god.

This may be hard to explain and some would say to do it with scriptures, but I will do it from personal experience and observations.

Some people would say humans have no power other than what they are able to put into their physical effort, but there is another dimension to this and it is in the mind. Self empowerment is believing, visualizing what is wanted. This does bring results and certain events seem to happen where every thing works out and you can get what you wanted. Some people are more empowered than others. Some people get what they want but it turns out to be the wrong thing. Some people get the wrong things all the time and are accidents about to happen. Practical experience in life from child to adult and work can help visualize correctly.

Inventions of one type of item can occur at several different remote locations at one time. It is as though there is an interconnection of mind in the environment outside the body. Even animals can start the same habits well apart fom each other. This has been called morphic resonance.

It has been shown in the matter antimatter cycles an exchange of energy occurs and it could be similar to energizing super conductors. Everything is tuned on the same wave length, much like a radio carrier wave with personal characteristics only able to survive on the carrier wave.
Some people have drawn a long bow and said this is where humans could manifest their obvious physical future from and in fact their own characteristics. Maintaining physical being and characteristics like a bad habit from one time frame to another, one instant to another and allowing very little change. This could be extended to illnesses and deformities.

In one sense following this idea, through morphic resonance, progressively humans have the technology that they have which is effecting the climate. Everything is being built within a certain mind picture and culture. Machines have been invented, low in effeciency and chemicals created, all degrading the environment. Therefore even without another dimension the human mind with its aspirations is being fulfiled.

When a person connects with God they are called a Prophet and then God is able to magnify the combined consciousness of the people through the Prophet.
There are many false prophets or priests today who lead and then satisfy and magnify the inner mental desires of the people. The drug culture have people who drive it along taking on converts, science culture, religious culture, advertising retail therapy culture, every area of life needs converts. Remember that everyone uses God's power but the human through its nature is empowered to get what it wants, with some more empowered than others being able to over power and manipulate the weaker. A false Prophet or Priest will capture all the hearts and minds and lead the people to destruction.

The ultimate underlying driving force in the human is death. No one can escape.
There is a tendancy to be self destructive even unwittingly especially if the person cant get what they want. Their self centeredness and self gratification isn't being satisfied.
We have terrorism, suicide, death defying acts etc. Humans use God's power to have what they want or perceive and this is for self comfort, whether physical or mental or ego. Humans use time to manifest, while God is instant. God gives humans power through the human spirit.

If a people rejected God's prophet then that would remove all of them further from God and the projected energy from the people would speed up what time holds back and cause their own destruction. But the destruction is said to come from God, which it has, through the Prophet being empowered by God and magnifying the power of the false Prophets which is potentially self destructive, in the people. God sees what is happening through the Prophet and God gives the Prophet the power to express what is being seen. It is the power of the false Prophet that leads to destruction.

When the people rose against Moses and murmered against his leadership God's power killed many of them before Moses could make things right to save some of them. The power was in Moses and he was covering the people under his mantle and raising the energy of the people. When they rejected him there was more available power in them.

When Noah built the Ark the people were against him and they fulfilled there own fate. But it was God's power that they used. Noah raised the energy or raised the stakes by his Faith in believing God and building the ark and when he was spoken against their fate was sealed.

God is all powerful. Love is comprehended through the cross of Christ, the sacrifice of Jesus for sin.

Love is patient, Love works no ill, Love is gentle, Love is Kind.

Find God through the nature of Jesus.

This power will not force its way in and the correct process has to be purposely consciously and intelligently worked through. This will achieve some changes in the subconscious. Ultimately a new nature will take over and it has a different mind. Peter walked on water and Jesus caught him. It is like that but in the mental realm. Own mind has to be lost to receive the new mind and a gentle nature and amazing Love.

All the manifesting problems come out of the human heart. God's power is being used to manifest what is coming, out of the human. Collectively and individually people are manifesting their own life by using God's power in the human spirit. All humans are under the same mantle from the unborn to the elderly.

God's pure power mentally is as intense as how we could imagine the sun is in the physical and we couldn't even stand in the hot sun without some damage.

Jesus's nature has a mind that is a step beyond the human mind as it doesn't respond the same. The nature of Jesus is acceptable to God. It can be found by humans when completing a process giving access to God and the Love of Christ. Immortality is the reward of taking on the new nature, and to take part in a new world.

God's power becomes coherent through God's Prophet even if it is not accepted and doesn't fit the tone of the overall culture.

[keevelish]

God is not incomprehensible. We can understand his will by reading the Bible.

Think of humanity as God's child-
Parents don't have children to dictate their actions and emotions, and certainly not their destiny. If they could or wanted to, what would be the point of having children?
Parents have children to fellowship with them, love them, see them through their problems, and let them make their choices. Sometimes parents know the outcome of a bad choice that a child may make, but still allow them to make it- how can they be loving if they create a robot of a child.
God's being omnicient doesn't change our status as his children, his love, and his desire to fellowship with us.
Parents have children because they desire to see that person grow in life, and, in turn, this gives the parents joy. This is what God experiences. When we make good choices, he is joyful. When we make bad, he is sorrowful.
We, in our little human minute intelligence, are like small children. We don't know what's best for us. Can you truly second-guess the creator of the universe? Complaining doesn't change it a bit.