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Old 01-20-2013, 11:40 PM
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I have been thinking about the concept that everything must come from something, and the Abrahamic God. Can someone please help explain to me how if everything came from something, where did God come from?
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:35 AM
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I have been thinking about the concept that everything must come from something, and the Abrahamic God. Can someone please help explain to me how if everything came from something, where did God come from?
I think that's where the whole idea of "God" breaks down. If God can't be created, then God must create itself. And if God has to create itself, who's to say that universe can't spontaneously come into existence. And since Time as we know it begins with the Big Bang, there is really no need to account for what was before the Big Bang since there is no way of defining the events before it.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:04 AM
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I think that's where the whole idea of "God" breaks down. If God can't be created, then God must create itself. And if God has to create itself, who's to say that universe can't spontaneously come into existence. And since Time as we know it begins with the Big Bang, there is really no need to account for what was before the Big Bang since there is no way of defining the events before it.
So if there is no way of defining events before it, why attempt to define events before the formation of the universe to a divinity?
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:36 AM
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I have been thinking about the concept that everything must come from something, and the Abrahamic God. Can someone please help explain to me how if everything came from something, where did God come from?
Let us assume that you are K,
You were created by K1,
K1 was created by K2
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Kn was created by K(n+1)

Lets say that GOD is K(n+1),
if we to assume that something has created K(n+1), then this means that there is an infinite loop, which means that you does not exist.

But since you DO exist, this means that K(n+1), I mean GOD is the final cause.
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if we to assume that something has created K(n+1), then this means that there is an infinite loop, which means that you does not exist.

But since you DO exist, this means that K(n+1), I mean GOD is the final cause.
Except that even in everyday situations such a model is a bit too simplistic. Very few situations have exactly one cause.

And then there is the assumption that everything must have a cause of some sort.

It is far more natural and more elegant to just accept that existence "exists" and we don't really have an explanation or cause for that.
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I have been thinking about the concept that everything must come from something, and the Abrahamic God. Can someone please help explain to me how if everything came from something, where did God come from?
The idea that "everything must come from something" is, at best, shorthand for "everything in nature must come from something," the inference being that a First Cause must necessarily be preternatural.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:54 AM
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Some people say the universe came from nothing with one a big bang. Maybe God came from a big bang and recreated God's own existence with another big bang but instead of getting a friend God got us.
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Wouldn't that mean that the Big Bang is a more transcendental creator than God, though?
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:16 AM
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Wouldn't that mean that the Big Bang is a more transcendental creator than God, though?

I wouldn't say transcendental because that implies intelligence. I never heard of an explosion being "intelligent" but maybe they're working on it. Would it be considered by some as more worthy than Yahweh to be worshiped?
Yes it would but it's long gone. ie it doesn't exist anymore.
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I have been thinking about the concept that everything must come from something, and the Abrahamic God. Can someone please help explain to me how if everything came from something, where did God come from?
When I took a basic philosophy of religion class in undergrad (which really should have been called "philosophy of classical monotheism" but whatever), that this god-concept has no cause itself is part of what makes it, by definition, god. A root definition of god is that god is fundamentally greater. The First Cause that, in of itself, is not caused is fundamentally greater, as it is the originator of all else, therefore the uncaused cause is god. It's a philosophical argument; Aquinas I believe? I forget. Undergrad was a while ago for me now. Some of the resources on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy may be of use to you in learning about these ideas.
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