He is Messenger or God?

[BSM1]

[quote=InvestigateTruth;2981514]In Baha’i view, God can never incarnate as a human.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahl_al-Tustari

Not being that familiar with the Baha'i view are you saying that there are things that God can't. If so wouldn't that leave God less than omnipotent?

[InvestigateTruth]

[quote=BSM1;2995953]

Originally Posted by InvestigateTruth

In Baha’i view, God can never incarnate as a human.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahl_al-Tustari

Not being that familiar with the Baha'i view are you saying that there are things that God can't. If so wouldn't that leave God less than omnipotent?

It is like if we ask; Can Go make a stone that He cannot move?

[BSM1]

[quote=InvestigateTruth;2996069]

Originally Posted by BSM1

It is like if we ask; Can Go make a stone that He cannot move?

Although it gives one mental hiccups, I feel that we have to decide whether we believe that God is All Powerful and can do anything, or Almost All Powerful and can do almost anything. I choose the former and to answer your question ( I know how this is going to sound) yes and no.

I have found that when you try to put human characteristics and human restrictions on a non-human Deity you tend to rationalize said Deity to fit your concept of the Divine.

[InvestigateTruth]

[quote=BSM1;2996248]

Originally Posted by InvestigateTruth

I have found that when you try to put human characteristics and human restrictions on a non-human Deity you tend to rationalize said Deity to fit your concept of the Divine.

I agree with you. But I think we need to be specific.
If we say can God Manifest as a human. I believe yes. But the way He does it, may not be the way most people expect.
In Baha'i believe He created Manifestations of God, who are like mirrors of God.
The Baha'i scriptures uses an analogy. In the analogy, if God is like the Sun, the Divine Messenger is like a mirror, which reflects the image of the Sun perfectly in it. But that doesn't mean the Sun literally comes down to mirror.
So, when we look at the Mirror, we can say that's the Sun and at the same time we can say that's a mirror. Each one is a different view of the Truth.
Likewise, Jesus said, He and the father are One, and at the same time he called Himself son of man, a Prophet and said the father is greater than I.
So, God doesn't need to reduce His station and come down to appear, He can create perfect Men, which fully reflect His attributes.
and as I also provided references, other divine Messengers, made similar claims.

[BSM1]

[quote=InvestigateTruth;2996258][quote=BSM1;2996248]
I agree with you. But I think we need to be specific.
If we say can God Manifest as a human. I believe yes. But the way He does it, may not be the way most people expect.
In Baha'i believe He created Manifestations of God, who are like mirrors of God.

I have read and re-read your post and I can find nothing in to argue about. I understand perfectly what you're saying. This fits nicely into my "illusion of not God" theory. Thank you.

[WorldCitizen]

IMO To be All Powerful does not mean able to do anything i.e God cannot be not God

it is illogically impossible for something to be limited and all powerful at the same time!

Regards