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Old 11-29-2010, 10:04 PM
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I have been having issues with this. I don't need a label, but it would be easier, you know??

I believe in God. I don't, however, believe Jesus was a prophet. I believe he was a false prophet.

Please, no bashing, no cajoling, no trying to get me to believe what you do.

I will honor your opinions, so please honor mine.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:22 PM
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I have been having issues with this. I don't need a label, but it would be easier, you know??

I believe in God. I don't, however, believe Jesus was a prophet. I believe he was a false prophet.

Please, no bashing, no cajoling, no trying to get me to believe what you do.

I will honor your opinions, so please honor mine.
Well, how do you envision God? A lot of people believe in a Higher Power, so to speak, but not the Abrahamic God. If you believe in the Abrahamic God (the God of the Bible), you might want to look into Judaism (of course, you'd have to actually convert, not being born to a Jewish mother). If you don't think Judaism is for you, you might want to check out Unitarian Universalism. I'm not saying this disrespectfully, but you can be a UU and have pretty much any understanding of God that suits you.
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:24 AM
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That was one of the things that got me looking into Judaism.

I believe in the God of Abraham, but rejected several of the central ideas of Christianity. Luckily, it's not the only religion out there.

Do some reading. I suggest making a list of what you think is right, then examine as many religions as you can to find out what they say.

Like Katzpur said, if you're partial to the Abrahamic God, there's Judaism and UU, as well as Islam and Baha'i. If not, then the choices are almost unlimited. You should also look at the Seekers DIR - Religious Education Forum
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:27 AM
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What exactly are you wanting to discuss here? Did you have a question or are you looking for advice?
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:49 AM
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I have been having issues with this. I don't need a label, but it would be easier, you know??

I believe in God. I don't, however, believe Jesus was a prophet. I believe he was a false prophet.

Please, no bashing, no cajoling, no trying to get me to believe what you do.

I will honor your opinions, so please honor mine.
Done!

But what kind of a conversation can we have?
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Old 11-30-2010, 04:28 AM
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Is it the Abrahamic God than you believe in? Do you believe there was a different prophet? You may have Jewish beliefs, Islamic beliefs, or some other beliefs altogether.
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Done!

But what kind of a conversation can we have?
We could have a discussion, I believe the OP just does not want to debate.

My question is, do you believe that Jesus existed?

Another question is, perhaps you have an issue with how Paul portrays Jesus and not how Jesus actually portrayed himself. Have you examined this?
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Okay, to clear some things up:

I do believe in the Abrahamic God.
I believe everything the Old Testament says, because in my mind, that scripture is coming from God, and being dictated by men.
I believe the New Testament is coming solely from men.
I believe Jesus is a false prophet because of things God says in the OT, and in things Jesus says himself, and the fact that he called himself THE son of God.
I believe in all the "prophets" leading up to him (Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc) because none claimed to be God's incarnation.

GOD:
"If the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord and the oracle does not come true, that oracle was not spoken by the Lord." (Deut. 18:22)

Jesus:
"Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the son of man has come." (Matt 10:23)

“Verily I say unto you, all these things shall come upon this generation” (Matt 23:36)

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, telling them everything in this city (adultery, wickedness) would be risen against. He clearly states, THIS GENERATION. From every thing I've read on this subject, there is no way that Greek "this generation" could even mean any other generation but THAT one.

There are a few more, but like I said, I don't want this to be a debate. If anyone wants to explain their viewpoint on those, I would be more than happy to hear them.
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Old 11-30-2010, 02:44 PM
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Okay, to clear some things up:

I do believe in the Abrahamic God.
I believe everything the Old Testament says, because in my mind, that scripture is coming from God, and being dictated by men.
I believe the New Testament is coming solely from men.
I believe Jesus is a false prophet because of things God says in the OT, and in things Jesus says himself, and the fact that he called himself THE son of God.
I believe in all the "prophets" leading up to him (Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc) because none claimed to be God's incarnation.

GOD:
"If the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord and the oracle does not come true, that oracle was not spoken by the Lord." (Deut. 18:22)

Jesus:
"Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the son of man has come." (Matt 10:23)

“Verily I say unto you, all these things shall come upon this generation” (Matt 23:36)

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, telling them everything in this city (adultery, wickedness) would be risen against. He clearly states, THIS GENERATION. From every thing I've read on this subject, there is no way that Greek "this generation" could even mean any other generation but THAT one.

There are a few more, but like I said, I don't want this to be a debate. If anyone wants to explain their viewpoint on those, I would be more than happy to hear them.
I would suggest the following:

1. Read the OP of this thread: You're a What? You'll find it interesting, and possibly pertinent to your question.
2. Consider the possibility that your interpretations of the scriptures you mentioned might be inaccurate.
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I have been having issues with this. I don't need a label, but it would be easier, you know??

I believe in God. I don't, however, believe Jesus was a prophet. I believe he was a false prophet.

Please, no bashing, no cajoling, no trying to get me to believe what you do.

I will honor your opinions, so please honor mine.
There's always the Belief-o-Matic. It probably won't give you a hard-and-fast "you're a _______!" answer, but it might point you toward some religions/denominations that are generally in line with what you believe.
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