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Old 03-05-2005, 02:25 PM
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Yes Scorn, we see a definite pattern here. At least I do.

There is much about Christianity that non-Christians merely assume or ascribe to all Christians. Were I to do this to any other religion, like if I were to say "All athiests are arrogant!", then I would be villified for my bigotry. Why should we not say the same things about those who over-generalise about Christianity?

When you erroneously ascribe intent (judgement) to a simple act of someone divulging THEIR personal feelings, I feel compelled to show you the hypocrisy inherent in your statement. You would paint evangelism as some sort of subversive act bent on condemning you to sheol. When in actuality you have chosen your current path... not me, and not the person who wished you would be Christian.

Using your philosophy, we would should call the man crying fire in a burning building as arrogant and judgemental. How dare you tell me that you "would wish that I were outside of the building like you"!"How arrogant of you to imply that MY body is in peril".

The pattern I see, is an outright resentment of a group of people who feel that they have found the light, because by deduction, they are saying that you haven't. Are you suggesting that they should change their belief to protect your delicate sensibilities? Why are so intent in foisting your beliefs on others like that? Aren't you secure enough in your own beliefs to allow others their own? Sounds suspiciously narrow minded to me!
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The pattern I see, is an outright resentment of a group of people who feel that they have found the light, because by deduction, they are saying that you haven't. Are you suggesting that they should change their belief to protect your delicate sensibilities? Why are so intent in foisting your beliefs on others like that? Aren't you secure enough in your own beliefs to allow others their own? Sounds suspiciously narrow minded to me!
With all due respect NetDoc the hypocrisy in that last paragraph is palpable.
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Using your philosophy, we would should call the man crying fire in a burning building as arrogant and judgemental. How dare you tell me that you "would wish that I were outside of the building like you"!"How arrogant of you to imply that MY body is in peril".
That is the arrogance I am talking about, who says the man who yells "fire" knows what he is talking about in the first place, if I see no flames or smell no smoke should I run outside out of baseless fear? To me, that is the reason many flock to the "Christ"- fear of their own mortality and the unknown.

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The pattern I see, is an outright resentment of a group of people who feel that they have found the light, because by deduction, they are saying that you haven't. Are you suggesting that they should change their belief to protect your delicate sensibilities? Why are so intent in foisting your beliefs on others like that? Aren't you secure enough in your own beliefs to allow others their own? Sounds suspiciously narrow minded to me!
It doesn't matter to me what anyone believes, but if by their own doing fueled by their beliefs negatively affects my current reality (as I pointed out in my origional post with regards to science, technology and culture ) then the representatives of that belief are deserving of what they have given, you need to read some history. You seem to want to cast yourself and your beliefs as a "victim", throughout history people with Christian based beliefs have been in turn victims and victimizers, I feel no pity for you and expect none from you.

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You seem to forget this thread has a title and we, who may fear our words are taken as hostility toward Christians must somehow rationalize our opinions to the question asked. If you don't happen to like the answers, that's fair. If you know for certain that I, in fact, don't feel as though someone is judging me, I'd like to know what your opinion of my knowledge of the term might be based on. And how you are able to decipher my experiences better than I. My statements are neither erroneous nor hypocritical. They are based on my experience and I've stated as much twice now. Had I claimed that I thought NetDoc was judgmental than I'd think you'd most certainly have a case. You seem to think I (we) want to paint all of Christianity with the same brush yet to want to defend it with that same broad brush. You seem clear in suggesting I don't understand what the word judgment means (or rather those that feel the same as I) and that Dr. No also misunderstands the term arrogance. Excuse me for feeling a slight insult...or am I misunderstanding that term as well?





And just for the record, if I really felt a resentment toward Christians I would not spend my time engaging in discussion on this message board. The fact that I raise questions or argue a point does not make me bigoted or resentful. Just curious and interested.

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With all due respect NetDoc
Subtle sarcasm escapes many. Don't let it bother you.

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if I see no flames or smell no smoke should I run outside out of baseless fear?
By all means stay. Many have perished using your logic. Just don't blame the man for "condemning you" with your last breath.

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You seem to think I (we) want to paint all of Christianity with the same brush
You have done an incredible job convincing me of this.

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must somehow rationalize our opinions
That is amazingly insightful. Do you realise what you just said?

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They are based on my experience and I've stated as much twice now.
Whether they are based on your experience or not... you have assigned intent to the person who made the comment. Did you ASK if the person was judging you? Did they sign some sort of document condemning you to hell? If not, then you made an assumption. You have now shared that assumption. I contend your assumption is fallacious and based on an emotional bias. I also contend that you are showing the same "judgemental" attitude as the person who made the original statement. Condemning someone for traits that you exibit is hypocrisy.
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Well I guess I'll just have to bring it up with my family, (again) and make certain that when they suggest I am somehow less without Christ that they didn't actually mean to judge me.

As for this argument I suppose I'm done. You win. I know that seems somehow passive aggressive of me but I'm sure I don't really understand that term either.
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For the record, sometimes people don't see their own bias, especially if it's subtle. I am not accusing you (or any here) of leading anti-Christian crusades and desiring that I along with all who believe were to be burned at the stake.

But there is an obvious anti-Christian bias. It's loosely based on those who claim to be Christian and who don't live the life. It's very easy to do, and is in vogue right now, along with blaming all muslims for what happened on 9/11. It's purely a human reaction to pigeon hole entire genres of people who don't believe the same as you. We call them names and assign attitudes and feelings to them without ever trying to learn the truth behind their actions.

But that doesn't make it right.
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By all means stay. Many have perished using your logic. Just don't blame the man for "condemning you" with your last breath.
So what are you really saying NetDoc? don't beat around the bush.

I am interested in hearing about the anti- Christian bias that is in "vogue" now, from whom and from where? Is it anything like the "vast right-wing conspiracy"?

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Dr No...

Just go read post #77 of this thread!
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