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Old 01-15-2008, 05:47 PM
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No Christian takes the Bible hyper-literally or hyper-allegorical......that's just bunk.

If we can't even agree as to what Kenosis even means, then we aren't going to get very far. I used the link you gave me, what else you want me to do?

Here, let me quote it again:
'self-emptying' of one's own will and becoming entirely receptive to God...<---this is a direct quote from the link you provided.

As to the rest of what you said, I'm not entirely sure what you are saying.

Is this one of those arguments that say God can't create a stone large enough he can't lift?
Well its a pretty big and non-definite middle ground between hyper-literal and hyper-allegorical don't you think?
And the problem seems to be that you've misinterpreted the article anyway, or don't want to know its real significance.
Jesus Christ emptied his own will and became part of God's will. Yes?
The problem then arises with God transcending time and space. Because Jesus would have to have been one or the other. Divine attributes and Human attributes are completely incompatible.
Just look at the Deathspell Omega quote I gave you too. It posits the theory with much greater eloquence and clarity than I can. You also failed to give me evidence of him supposedly changing these laws (which is pretty obscure and I'm not sure if correct).
And I'm sorry if you find it hard to understand but you did ask for an explanation.
Finally no, this isn't one of those amateurish philosophical dilemmas (although I've yet to hear a decent answer to that dilemma), this goes much further into pure Christian Theology itself.
Alistair McGrath, a devout Christian himself and strong opponent of Richard Dawkins even recognises the peril of Kenosis, so much so that his seemingly biased dictionary of Theology books dedicate only a small amount of space to Kenosis and Krypsis (another theory that I won't put forward now as you're having some time getting to grips with this one).
Anyone would think he wanted to forget about something.
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